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Old 02-26-2005, 11:35 AM   #7516
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We have a tight high grip asphalt track. Do you think this car is the right choice for me? I'm so confused.

Please give all pros and cons you can think of on this kit. I will more then like only run on asphalt.

Is chassis tweak a major issue as I have seen posted?
The stock 415 suspension was designed for tight, high traction tracks (not typical of ashpalt tracks). The LW suspension (or MS) was designed for longer, flowing tracks.

The stock 415 suspesnion will also take more abuse and hold up better.

Regarless of whichever 415 you get, you are getting a car that is as good or better than anything out there. From goin by what limited info I have in your track situation, I would go with the stock 415.

Some have complained about chassis tweak. I personally have not experienced this problem although I can see how the MS version would tweak easier than the stock 415 as the chassis is thinner. If you asssemble the car correclty, on a flat surface, and tighten all screws in a star shapped pattern, you will lessen the chance of a tweaked chassis
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Old 02-26-2005, 11:39 AM   #7517
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Any news on a new 415??? or any new parts??

what are the latest parts on this baby, i recently stopped racin back in november... have i missed anythin major??


latest thing i rmember was the 415ms!!

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Old 02-26-2005, 12:02 PM   #7518
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Thanks Kaobich. What ither kind of info can i give you on my track to help you help me make my decison.

As you can all asume I am worried that if the car doesnt suit me I am out $400 bones. Sure I could sell if for less but then what.

In all honesty do you guys feel the New X-Ray car will be any good on asphalt as most of the races it wins seem to be on carpet.

I also noticed ths Marc Rhienard runs the base 415 and not the MS. Is this just preference I wonder.

Do you think the MS is worht $100 more then the base 415 ?

Alos can anyone give me a site for aspahlt setups. I checked out TryHArds but he only has one that may help me.
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Old 02-26-2005, 12:25 PM   #7519
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Hey man,

Marc uses whatever car he feels is quicker. On carpet he usually uses the old suspension, on asphalt the LW, or at leat that's the word around here. There is Ben Cosgrove winning setup from last year's first BRCA round that I'm sure Ed would be more than happy to send you.
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Thanks Kaobich. What ither kind of info can i give you on my track to help you help me make my decison.

As you can all asume I am worried that if the car doesnt suit me I am out $400 bones. Sure I could sell if for less but then what.

In all honesty do you guys feel the New X-Ray car will be any good on asphalt as most of the races it wins seem to be on carpet.

I also noticed ths Marc Rhienard runs the base 415 and not the MS. Is this just preference I wonder.

Do you think the MS is worht $100 more then the base 415 ?

Alos can anyone give me a site for aspahlt setups. I checked out TryHArds but he only has one that may help me.
It sounds to me like you may be new to racing. You cannot go wrong with either version 415. I do feel the standard 415 may better suit your needs though. Reason I say this is once again, it is a tight, high traction track and the standard 415 suspension was designed for that environment. The standard 415 can take more abuse than the 415 MS as the LW suspension is fragile. You will save the $100 by going with the standard car and if you like it can you slowely upgrade it to the MS specs.

And yes, I do feel this car is better on asphalt than the X-ray. I feel it is better on carpet than the X-Ray too but the 415 will need more money into it to make it so.
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Old 02-26-2005, 02:26 PM   #7521
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No not new just back after a long layoff. I just don't want to be dissapointed is all.

You have been very helpful.

Are the only differences between the 415 & 415MS the suspension?
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Old 02-26-2005, 03:31 PM   #7522
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No not new just back after a long layoff. I just don't want to be dissapointed is all.

You have been very helpful.

Are the only differences between the 415 & 415MS the suspension?
There are more but the suspension is the biggest difference.
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No not new just back after a long layoff. I just don't want to be dissapointed is all.

You have been very helpful.

Are the only differences between the 415 & 415MS the suspension?
Besides the suspension, the chassis on the standard 415 is thicker at 3mm vs 2.5 for the MS. The shock towers are also a tad bit different for different geometry that should work better with the LWS.
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Old 02-26-2005, 07:13 PM   #7524
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Ok I think I almost have enough info.

I more question though. I have heard that the car tends to get very sloppy after a while. Does the car tend to get slop more then others?

And one more important feature. Can the dif of the 415 be raised and lowered to increase/decrease traction
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Ok I think I almost have enough info.

I more question though. I have heard that the car tends to get very sloppy after a while. Does the car tend to get slop more then others?

And one more important feature. Can the dif of the 415 be raised and lowered to increase/decrease traction
The car does have some slop in the steering from the factory. It can easily be corrected with several shim but to be honest, it's not enough slop that I notice a difference in handling.

No you cannot raise or lower the diffs.

What in fact does altering te diff height do. I cannot see it altering traction. I can see it messing with the center of gravity or increasing/decreasing drive line effeciency by effecting the angle of the dogbones in relation to the suspension arms and outdrives.
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Old 02-26-2005, 07:29 PM   #7526
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I assue the toe is inboard. What options does the kit come with?
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Old 02-26-2005, 07:44 PM   #7527
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Well, just finished my very first race with the 415 on 19T rubber. Car was pretty easy to drive, end up qualifying 2nd and finished 2nd, about .2-.3 second off my XRAY FK time. I can definitely use more steering, and if I remember right, there was a post about dropping the ackerman all the way down with all the spacers up top to get more steering? And have to shim the ball studs up??? Does anyone remember how much?

There was a pretty noticeable problem though, something chatters quite a bit in the corners, especially on power steering, and it is loud too. I had a hard time figuring exactly what that is? Anyone knows?

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Well, just finished my very first race with the 415 on 19T rubber. Car was pretty easy to drive, end up qualifying 2nd and finished 2nd, about .2-.3 second off my XRAY FK time. I can definitely use more steering, and if I remember right, there was a post about dropping the ackerman all the way down with all the spacers up top to get more steering? And have to shim the ball studs up??? Does anyone remember how much?

There was a pretty noticeable problem though, something chatters quite a bit in the corners, especially on power steering, and it is loud too. I had a hard time figuring exactly what that is? Anyone knows?

Dom
Well, the chatter, I think would be coming from the frt universals. Check them thorougly. I had nothing but problems with them. I switch to alternate MIP CVD style drive shafts. No more noise.
The rack gets lowered, I beleive it is 4mm , so the you have to raise the ball on the rack 4mm to bring it up to the same plane as it was.


Carpet/ foam racing is progressing.... I have been doing ALOT of testing.

My current setup is:
Frt:
70 wt oil 2 hole piston
AE yellow springs
6 on hudy droop gauge
frt upper EVO IV kingpin lowered 1.5mm into c hub.
inner camber mount raised 2mm.
-2 deg camber
MS towers
one hole in on frt tower. 60.5 shock length
1.5mm pro dive
frt diff
frt white belt
A bridge
c frt block
arns spaced 1mm behind frt arms, remainder in frt
BRP flat bumper
lowered rack, and flipped steering tray
servo spaced foward 2mm.
Rear
70 wt 2 hole piston
AE copper spring
6 on Hudy gauge
-2 deg camber
1 degree aloy hub.
d rear block
b frt block
MS tower
camber link inner most hole on hub, no spacers
one hole in on tower, 60.5 length
1mm spacer in frt of rear arms, remainder in rear of arm
.75 raised blocks
white belt
ACER ceramic bearings
MIP CVD's on frt.


car is quick, aggressive, and nimble.
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I am guessing the noise is coming from the cvds on full lock. Mine does this if I dial in to much steering throw
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Well, just finished my very first race with the 415 on 19T rubber. Car was pretty easy to drive, end up qualifying 2nd and finished 2nd, about .2-.3 second off my XRAY FK time. I can definitely use more steering, and if I remember right, there was a post about dropping the ackerman all the way down with all the spacers up top to get more steering? And have to shim the ball studs up??? Does anyone remember how much?

There was a pretty noticeable problem though, something chatters quite a bit in the corners, especially on power steering, and it is loud too. I had a hard time figuring exactly what that is? Anyone knows?

Dom
Dropping the rack doesn't actually affect the ackerman, it does the bump steer. With 4mm under the ball stud (and the three washers above the knuckle) you should get 0 bump steer.

if you need more steering, try softer springs on the front, lower the roll center (more shims under the inner camber link) or try some Pro-dive (place some spacers under the front/rear suspension block)

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