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Old 01-07-2005, 09:13 AM   #6271
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I cant make it tomorrow, but I did manage to get the following sat off. There will propably be a good turnout because of the rain, but I doubt there will be much of a pro-mod class since everyone is at the Novak race, so it wouldnt work out for me too well.

I'll get in contact with Patrick today and give him the C-Hubs, thanks for doing the swap for me.
Yea, none of us would be enough compitition for you.LOL.
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Old 01-07-2005, 09:23 AM   #6272
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Yea, none of us would be enough compitition for you.LOL.
haha, didnt mean it like that, just meant it's gonna be a low turnout for ProMod. We've been getting an A and B main lately.
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Old 01-07-2005, 09:29 AM   #6273
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Some people are just way too dialed to run stock If it rains, I more than likely will be there tomorrow, proudly wearing my skirt

Diff-abuser (Dan), have you left yet? Gimme a call when you can.
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Old 01-07-2005, 09:29 AM   #6274
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Default changing from normal to lightweight suspension...

my lwt susp arrived this morning, i wont be fitting it for a while as my next couple of racer are indoors on carpet running rubber, but i though it would be best to ask this now...
from my current normal arm outdoor setup are there and obvious changes that i should make the most of the lwt arms
i currently run....

Front:
4mm upper arm spacing
shocks in tower hole 2
shocks in arm hole 2
Tamiya White springs
600# oil
.5mm spacer under bridge block
both D blocks
-1.5deg camber
6mm ground clearance
spool
0deg toe in/out
droop 6 on gauge

Rear:
0mm upper arm spacing
shocks in tower hole 4
shocks in arm hole 2
Tamiya Blue springs
600# oil
1mm spacers under both blocks
C front / D rear blocks
-2deg camber
6mm ground clearance
locked layshaft
2deg hubs
droop 4 on gauge

this is in 19t class on a fairly high grip tarmac track using a Mazda6

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Old 01-07-2005, 10:35 AM   #6275
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Is there a difference between the 415 and the 415ms front bulkhead?

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Old 01-07-2005, 10:41 AM   #6276
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Stew, for starters, I would follow the LWT kit instructions regarding spacers on the camber links, the roll centres change front and rear with the LWT suspension on.
Baring that, try running your car as it is. I belive hole 3 (middle hole, 3 hole side) on the arms is close to the 2 hole on the std ones. Personally I used to run them on 2 (outer, 2 hole side), but with 26mm wheels (ie the BIWS spec wheel and tyres) they rub slightly, so I put it back to the 3 hole.
Are you going to be at the next BIWS round? I think i might put the LWT on the car for that, seems to me that the surface behaves more like asphalt than carpet (it's an indoor running track btw to everyone else). I'm deffiently going to be using the Spool though

JC/Tiggerz, i don't believe there is any difference between the two. not on the front anyway.

Anyway, I did some testing last night, and the only thing I changed was the position of the front shock on the tower. This was indoor on carpet, using a spool, and rubber tyres, with 27t stock.

I started from my base setup for the spool (using std arms). basically it means everything pretty much as stock, bar a few changes:

no spacers under rear suspension blocks
0.5mm under the front/front sus. block
C/A (f/r) combination on the front.
C/D (f/r) combination on the rear.
Blue springs all round
No roll bars
50Wt oil, with 3 hole pistons.
Droop at #4, F and R
1.5deg Camber all round
0deg front toe.
Shock's outer hole F and R in arms
Shocks in position 4 on R tower, 3 on front
Pleas ebear in mind the results aren't anything special, i got bunged in heat 2, with 9 other cars with a big range of abilities....Oh and BTW it was only 4 min races, due to the time avaliable vs number of racers
First run, car handled really well, turned in sharp, with plenty of mid turn. occasionally, if i over cooked it into a turn and had to back off sharp, the rear would get a little too loose, losing time, but apart from that a good starting point. result (from Heat 2) 19 laps in 241.20, Fastest lap 10.45, Avg 13.30 (stood as FTD until Heat 5...), 15th O/A
For the next round I put the shocks down to positon 2 on the tower, and the difference was quite prenounced, with very lazy turn-in, but oddles of mid turn grip. It made it (for me anyway) very tricky to drive as the rear was stepping out a too far, too regularly, particulary noticeable at the hairpin at the end of the straight. Somehow I still managed to improve, but I have feeling this may have been more down to the track rubbering in. Result 19 in 240.33, fastest 10.75, average 12.99 25th O/A

For the final Q run, I put the shocks up to hole 4, and instantly found the car much easier to drive, with sharper turn in than the base, whilst still being plenty adjustable in the corner. it was pretty much viceless, had to really overcook it into the turn to make the back step out. However didn't have any luck, got taken out by a back marker whilst putting in some storming early laps (prediciton gave a 21/22 lapper), and a shock popped off. Result 10 in... well i won't bother. I did check the lap times though, still pulled off a couple of tens, and the consistency was much much better (about 1.5s if that).
That unfortuantly only got me in the D-final, but at least i was on pole, so had a chance. For the final, i kept the shocks on 4, as I felt it needed more time to make a decision. Anyway, I easily won the final, with a time of 21 in 242... Still made a few mistakes, and not helped by one back marker consistantly wanting to race me when i came to lap him.... still a 22 was on the cards, not bad when the A was Q'd and won with a 24 lapper (at least i belive it was). BTW a 22 would got me into the B... I think

So quick summary
Position 2, Lots of mid corner grip, but poor turn in, Hard to drive fast
Position 4, Quick turn in, with reasonable mid turn, easy to drive
position 3, middle ground, between the two.
I have to admit it was enjoyable evening, even considering i wasn't concentrating too hard on racing, and more on the setup. deffiently helped sort my shock positon confusion out in my head. I think the next thing to try would be trying a harder front spring with shock in position 2, and see what that yeilds...

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Old 01-07-2005, 11:03 AM   #6277
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cheers ed, na wont be comming to the next biws, think i should be at the 2 after that though
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Old 01-07-2005, 12:07 PM   #6278
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Default TRF415 for sale

Guys, I am selling my 415 with L/W suspension and extras in the for sale section:

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthre...threadid=59471

It's got a lot of goodies. Please PM me if you are interested. Thanks!
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Old 01-07-2005, 12:49 PM   #6279
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Guys, I am selling my 415 with L/W suspension and extras in the for sale section:

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthre...threadid=59471

It's got a lot of goodies. Please PM me if you are interested. Thanks!
what is it being replaced with?
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Old 01-07-2005, 01:39 PM   #6280
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what is it being replaced with?
Why, the 415MS of course!
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Nice, looks like vision shouldn't be a problem on the front straight any more. My only beef is the stand is right on the track edge. Why not use a pit road like fuel and that pushes the track out that 5 feet and there the vision blind spots for all lay outs is gone. Just my 2 cents. I like this lay out. See ya soon
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