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Old 07-06-2009, 11:02 AM   #20611
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Not really cause wider suspension blocks are used in conjunction with short arms to maintain the same overall width...

If you compare two cars that both came with long-arms and different hubs (MSXX vs original 416), the 416 uses 2mm shorter driveshafts. I was always told this is because of the longer axles...
My bad, you are correct. I ended up putting 46mm bones up front on my 416. But you do not need 44mm on the 415 or 416 up front. My 415MRE has 46mm bones front and rear with long arms and 416 hubs, carriers, spindles, and axles. No problems.

And yes, suspension blocks do play a role in bone length. Remember, they go all the way down to XD if I remember correctly. So if you narrow your car way down with 46mm bones, you may need to switch to 44mm bones as not to bind in the diff or spool/oneway. That's why I added and/or to the equation.

In short, if using long arms, 46mm bones are fine front and rear on a 415MRE. If using short arms, you will need 44mm in the rear, and either 44mm or 46mm depending on suspension blocks. Common setup C/C or D/D you can get away with 46mm front.
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Old 07-06-2009, 12:11 PM   #20612
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That's some good info. Thanks for the confirmation. Part of the reason for me not switching to the updated hubs was the additional cost of the driveshafts. If you can keep the same block setup and bones with the newer hubs, I may have to switch sooner than later.

I just found one of the TRF Fluorine sealed 950 bearings was bad on my MRE. It did manage over half a season with no maintenece whatsoever, which is still pretty darn good for a 950. I'm not super surprised though since I ripped that corner off of the car off on three seprate occasions due to poor track configuration. At least the other 7 are still going strong..
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:27 PM   #20613
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What is a good starting gear ratio for a 17.5 on the 415MSX? I know it varies on the size of the track but I wanted to know if I'm in the right ballpark.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:28 PM   #20614
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What is a good starting gear ratio for a 17.5 on the 415MSX? I know it varies on the size of the track but I wanted to know if I'm in the right ballpark.
What ESC you got?
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And which 17.5?
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Old 07-10-2009, 02:56 AM   #20616
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What is a good starting gear ratio for a 17.5 on the 415MSX? I know it varies on the size of the track but I wanted to know if I'm in the right ballpark.
i would start at about 4 to 4.5 and go out against your competitors on practice nites and see how you go ....

that is all i did
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:17 PM   #20617
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Just a quick about this car. Are parts easy to get for this car in the us? Thanks for the help.
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Old 07-11-2009, 07:21 AM   #20618
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I am contemplating buying a msx version of this car. Just a few questions: is this the latest version of this car. Also is it still competitive in a 13.5 touring car class. And lastly can any parts from the 416 fit on this car? Thanks for the help.
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Old 07-11-2009, 01:02 PM   #20619
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If I am correct

MSX is the 1st generation
MSXX is the 2nd generation
MSXX Marc Reinhard Edition is the 3rd generation.

MSXX use 2.2mm thick chassis, different steering rack and different model upper deck.

MSX 1st gen, the hardest parts to find will be graphite parts : main chassis, steering plate and upper deck. Stock 1 or 2 of them if you plan to own MSX 1st gen for long time.

The rest of parts are interchangle with 416 cars.
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It went like this:

MSX
MSX Rheinrad Edition
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MSXX Rheinard Edition 2007

I would stick to the MSX Rheinard Edition or later. Most of the parts are interchangeable within the last three because of the Ackerman steering system.

As for the 416 parts crossing over, only the suspension pieces will work on the MSX cars. None of the chassis or drive train parts cross over.
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:08 AM   #20621
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Does anyone know of where I can purchase some aluminum steering knuckles for the TRF415 MSX? I found some made by TopCad at rcmart but they are out of stock.
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It went like this:

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MSX Rheinrad Edition
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MSXX Rheinard Edition 2007

I would stick to the MSX Rheinard Edition or later. Most of the parts are interchangeable within the last three because of the Ackerman steering system.

As for the 416 parts crossing over, only the suspension pieces will work on the MSX cars. None of the chassis or drive train parts cross over.
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415 & 415 MS
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Does anyone know of where I can purchase some aluminum steering knuckles for the TRF415 MSX? I found some made by TopCad at rcmart but they are out of stock.
Try RC Market or Stella Models
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I looked for ages for those steering knuckles but never did find some, But i was lucky that a fellow racer got out of the and brought down a box of spares to look through and found a set
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Old 07-13-2009, 04:10 AM   #20625
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i still got some from my old 415

not sure what condition they are in but i will look

got the C hubs and the stearing knuckles

PM me if you want them and how much they are worth to you
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