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Old 04-14-2009, 11:56 PM   #20431
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yeah but isn't that just for the TRF416 ??

i dont mind asking on there but wanted it to stay on topic
Yes and no. Jilles started off at Tamiya driving the 416 which did originally use the long-arm suspension. Some time before the worlds, the 4 of them finally got the new short arms dialed in. This aided in the release of the 416WE, as well as the world title. Therefore, Jilles should be the perfect person to ask what effect switching to short arms will have.

Of course it couldn't hurt to search the thread first cause it may have already been discussed...
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I have done the short rev. conversation on my 415MSXXMRE imideatly as i build the kit.

I never tried it with the standard "long" arms.

I run instead of B/A now D/C in front, and instead of XB/D now XA/E rear.

The rear front block is a 1C Block form the 416/TB03, because this ones you can flip over. you can also use a 415 1D Tunnel Block, than you have D/D.

The only thing you have to do on the 415MSXXMRE is to Dremel the new 1C or 1D Block like the original 1A Block to get the reqired clearance for the steering arm.

I take a picture of my car today and post it so you can see what i mean.

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Old 04-15-2009, 12:21 AM   #20433
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The short arms change a few other settings as well as the width. This includes shock position and roll centre.

The TRF team actually started using the short arms on the 415, initially this was on carpet, but did spread to outdoors by the end of teams use.
The 416 has pretty much been run with the short arms from the begining, I've never run it on the old arms, and I've had mine since the first release!

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The short arms change a few other settings as well as the width. This includes shock position and roll centre.

The TRF team actually started using the short arms on the 415, initially this was on carpet, but did spread to outdoors by the end of teams use.
The 416 has pretty much been run with the short arms from the begining, I've never run it on the old arms, and I've had mine since the first release!

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Hi Ed,
Ive measured the points where the shocks sit on the arms with my usual setup and they seem within 1mm (between long and short arms,with wider mounts) so im guessing because the difference in leverage on the short arms , in that the short arms have less at the same point (:confused yet) a slightly softer suspension will be needed. ????????? Is that why most Team drivers use Yellow yellow with the short arms (phew)

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Hey Phil Im going to run 1C/1C and 1XA/1F for Mod not sure if i will have enough steering ? i guess if i need more I will go 1D/1C or 1XA/1E and im going to start with 3mm spacers under the camberlinks

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Old 04-15-2009, 05:33 AM   #20435
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I have done the short rev. conversation on my 415MSXXMRE imideatly as i build the kit.

I never tried it with the standard "long" arms.

I run instead of B/A now D/C in front, and instead of XB/D now XA/E rear.

The rear front block is a 1C Block form the 416/TB03, because this ones you can flip over. you can also use a 415 1D Tunnel Block, than you have D/D.

The only thing you have to do on the 415MSXXMRE is to Dremel the new 1C or 1D Block like the original 1A Block to get the reqired clearance for the steering arm.

I take a picture of my car today and post it so you can see what i mean.

Greeitngs Blueman
Bluey could you put the pics on the thread please , I'd love to see them.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:23 AM   #20436
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Hello,

Can't find Gilles Groskamp's thread. Can anyone give me the link?

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Can't find Gilles Groskamp's thread. Can anyone give me the link?

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http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...on-motors.html

its the one called "Ask jilles groskamp tamiya 416/ speed passion motors !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi Ed,
Ive measured the points where the shocks sit on the arms with my usual setup and they seem within 1mm (between long and short arms,with wider mounts) so im guessing because the difference in leverage on the short arms , in that the short arms have less at the same point (:confused yet) a slightly softer suspension will be needed. ????????? Is that why most Team drivers use Yellow yellow with the short arms (phew)

Mark Miller

Hey Phil Im going to run 1C/1C and 1XA/1F for Mod not sure if i will have enough steering ? i guess if i need more I will go 1D/1C or 1XA/1E and im going to start with 3mm spacers under the camberlinks

Cya Mark M
Actually, most guys wouuld use the blue's all round with the Short arms. Having said that, with the 416... most are running either Tamiya White/Blue, or HPI silver all round, regardless of track type!

The leverage is part of it, but like I already mentioned there are a number of different things going on with the change. In all honesty, all you need to know is it works, and works very well

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Hiya Ed

did you get my PM ???

gonna sort out the short arms over the weekend
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did you get my PM ???

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Tryhard- ok so I want to do the short arms on the car can you list what I need to make update on my car. I have the 415Msxx Reedy Race Edition. Thanks
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Is TRF415's front belt and rear belt can be use for MSX ?
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i did get the david junn limited edition alloy arms and differant rear hubs that the shocks mounted too

but the car was really carp with them on

so i sold them off

think i maybe thould have kept them !!
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Here are some pics with my custom lipo tray. A SMC 5000 fits with no problem. The 415 is an awesome car.
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Tryhard- ok so I want to do the short arms on the car can you list what I need to make update on my car. I have the 415Msxx Reedy Race Edition. Thanks
If you just want to use the arms... all you need to do is buy them and but them on in reality! All the current 415 suspension componets fit, and you won't need to change the drivershafts or blocks either.

Part number for the arms is TAM53928. You need two sets.

However, if you want to go to the full 416 suspension, then get hold of the Short arm reverisble suspension kit, as this is the quickest and best value way of doing it...Yes, you can buy the main parts for slightly less, but that kit includes everything bar the dogbones need to re-spruce up your suspension (axle's, bearings, shims etc), which you might as well do if your switching over.
The suspension set is TAM54083

AS for the individual parts you woudl need;
2x TAM 53298 - Short Arms
2x TAM54076 - TB03 Wheel Axles
1x TAM54075 - King pin set
1x TAM51293 - 4 C-Hub's (use these rather than the carbon reinforced, they give more steering and don't break!)
1x TAM51322 - Steering Knuckle
1x TAM51333 - Rear hub
8x 1050 bearings

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