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Old 03-27-2007, 07:14 PM   #17971
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The more akerman u run in ur car the more steering u will have. Now it depends on what surface/tire u use that will determine how much u want or need. For outdoor rubber, more akerman is needed to get as much steering as possble. espacially with spools! Now for indoor foam(which i run alot) we try to eliminate as much akerman as we can. We are now running our steering plate flipped upside down(less akerman) so its more like a T2 or losi. We have found this smooth's out the car alot, but with minimal steering loss. With this setup ur no longer dragging the inside front wheel mid corner which is not good for foam....tends to cause snap oversteer! U may find u have to adjust ur car for these changes but once again depends totally on what u run on. hope this helps!
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Old 03-27-2007, 11:23 PM   #17972
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Thanks TRFwhitey,
I will be running rubber tires on asphalt, the reason I ask is because I just purchased this MSX, retiring my TRF414m2 which I had installed a spool in and could not figure out how to get the steering back I lost after removing the one-way. I am installing a spool in the new car and want to make sure I can get as much steering as possible. Any other suggestions will be helpful.
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Old 03-28-2007, 01:52 AM   #17973
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Although running more ackerman won't exactly make your car faster through the turns, especially with a spool. I've found that it may scrub off corner speed, because its overturning the car. This is just from my experience.
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What are your thoughts about running a front diff?
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Old 03-28-2007, 02:54 AM   #17975
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What are your thoughts about running a front diff?
Don't unless you're running FOAM.
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Old 03-28-2007, 03:02 AM   #17976
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Thanks TRFwhitey,
I will be running rubber tires on asphalt, the reason I ask is because I just purchased this MSX, retiring my TRF414m2 which I had installed a spool in and could not figure out how to get the steering back I lost after removing the one-way. I am installing a spool in the new car and want to make sure I can get as much steering as possible. Any other suggestions will be helpful.
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I've always used the inner hole on the knuckle and it's worked well for me. As has been pointed out, more ackermann helps scrub more speed coming into a corner, so you can turn in later, which is very useful when racing mod.

You do lose mid corner steering though as at that point, the outer wheel is the most loaded one, and it it turning less than the inner wheel.

However if you're going from a 414M to a MSX, I suggest it's not steering you've lost, but you've gained stability which may feel like you've lost steering.

How are your laptimes with the MSX compared to the 414 ?
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Old 03-28-2007, 08:45 AM   #17977
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I haven't run the MSX yet just received it 2 days ago. Waiting for the rest of the of the parts to come in. I went racing Sunday with the my 414M, stock,rubber, asphalt with my old full metal 3000 panasonics and was 4/10 of second off the cyclones with ib4200'sIB I was running against. Qualified a miserable 4th fastest in the A main. I just couldn't get the steering I wanted and the car didn't really feel like it was pushing,just wouldn't turn. I really don't want to have that problem with the new car!
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The more akerman u run in ur car the more steering u will have. Now it depends on what surface/tire u use that will determine how much u want or need. For outdoor rubber, more akerman is needed to get as much steering as possble. espacially with spools! Now for indoor foam(which i run alot) we try to eliminate as much akerman as we can. We are now running our steering plate flipped upside down(less akerman) so its more like a T2 or losi. We have found this smooth's out the car alot, but with minimal steering loss. With this setup ur no longer dragging the inside front wheel mid corner which is not good for foam....tends to cause snap oversteer! U may find u have to adjust ur car for these changes but once again depends totally on what u run on. hope this helps!
Hey, Whitey...I want to start running my MSX with Foam on carpet shortly and would like to see how you set up your steering. Can you post a pic of your steering plate and knuckles?

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If its an MSX, there's no other akerman setting other than the knuckle. So just keep it on the inner hole, otherwise the car will have too much akerman.
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If its an MSX, there's no other akerman setting other than the knuckle. So just keep it on the inner hole, otherwise the car will have too much akerman.
err wrong inner hole/kit = lot of ackermann = lot of steering ,very aggressive steering
outer hole = less ackermann = less steering ,but much smoother to drive.

note using the outer hole the ball studs are more prone to breaking due to greater moment of torque acting on them as they are further awy from the center of the hub.
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I haven't run the MSX yet just received it 2 days ago. Waiting for the rest of the of the parts to come in. I went racing Sunday with the my 414M, stock,rubber, asphalt with my old full metal 3000 panasonics and was 4/10 of second off the cyclones with ib4200'sIB I was running against. Qualified a miserable 4th fastest in the A main. I just couldn't get the steering I wanted and the car didn't really feel like it was pushing,just wouldn't turn. I really don't want to have that problem with the new car!
sound like the tyres are dead or the setup is wrong.
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I'm sure the set-up was wrong, but it was getting better through the day. I started the day better than a second of pace. Just ran out of time. But now I'll be focusing on the new car and this forum is a wealth of information, can't wait to start dialing in the new car...
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Old 03-28-2007, 05:33 PM   #17983
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Check out the photos[IMG]www.maxrc.com/msx/[/IMG] $250 with all parts,
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hey corey. can you post your foam tire setup. i would like to try it. you and martin helped me out alot in cleveland and i appreciate the help. thanx. also is the 3mm top deck you are using available? also do you use the 4mm chassis always on carpet? i know some guys at a race i just attended were using the 2.5mm standard. thanx again.
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Hi Guys,

I just finished building my new 415MSX-MRE, first time running a 415, understand the MRE came with the Spool. I am running 23T most of the time, do you guys think i should change to FrOneWay or remain Spool? I tried driving for a few laps with Spool/23T, it seems to handle quite well but i did not take timing so don't really know the diff. Prior to this i was playing EVO5 with FrOneWay.

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