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Old 01-19-2007, 04:43 AM   #17101
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so i take it the msx mre is not that good on carpet out of the box?
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Old 01-19-2007, 05:14 AM   #17102
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With the EVO 5 shorter arms you can still run 46 mm, but is maybe a bit tight (front). I have right now 46mm rear and 42 mm in front (with 415 MSX oneway - on carpet) on my car and that has worked OK for me...
ok thanks, will try that also
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Old 01-19-2007, 05:50 AM   #17103
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so i take it the msx mre is not that good on carpet out of the box?
The MRE is fairly good out-of-the-box with rubber tires on carpet. A couple minor adjustments and you'll be planted. Foam on carpet is a bit more challenging. But once you get the car stiffened up and to rotate quicker, it can hang with any car.
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Old 01-19-2007, 05:54 AM   #17104
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What type of modes have you done to your MSX?
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NONE. Haven't found a need to...yet. Although, I did try the Shooters top deck a couple of weeks ago. Can't say I noticed a big difference (maybe, a little more stabe / less lateral flex in the corners?). I made a bunch of changes that day, so I'll need more time with it.
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Old 01-19-2007, 06:09 AM   #17105
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NONE. Haven't found a need to...yet.
I take this back. I did install JET Racing - Pro 4/Cyclone blue aluminum steering knuckles and Hpi univeral axles. I'm using this set-up for running foam tires and to keep my steering knuckle expenses down. I don't crash a lot, but when I do... Sorry about that. I had to think about it for a minute. Too eary in the morning, I guess.
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Old 01-19-2007, 06:37 AM   #17106
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thanks sohlman for the reply
i will be running rubber tires lrp 24
what is the difference with the mss mre and the refine 2??? which has what etc
i have searched the thread but ever time the question gets asked no one seems to reply??
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Old 01-19-2007, 06:41 AM   #17107
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another worrying factor is to read posts where peaple are using yoko hpi and other bits???
are the over expensive tamiya msx mre not good enough standard??

why spend hundreds of dollars on the kit if the parts in it arnt up to the job?

im not slating the car im after learning about it thats all
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Old 01-19-2007, 07:37 AM   #17108
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thanks sohlman for the reply
i will be running rubber tires lrp 24
what is the difference with the mss mre and the refine 2??? which has what etc
i have searched the thread but ever time the question gets asked no one seems to reply??

MRE and Refine 2 is the same car...no idea why they have 2 names...
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Old 01-19-2007, 07:39 AM   #17109
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another worrying factor is to read posts where peaple are using yoko hpi and other bits???
are the over expensive tamiya msx mre not good enough standard??

why spend hundreds of dollars on the kit if the parts in it arnt up to the job?

im not slating the car im after learning about it thats all

It is common to change to HPI parts if you run foams (wider) as that does not work with the standard Tamiya steering parts....

Also some like to have bigger BBs than in the new Tamiya steering parts...
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Old 01-19-2007, 07:54 AM   #17110
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MRE and Refine 2 is the same car...no idea why they have 2 names...
ive got a price for the mre at 520 us dollars
and a price for the refine 2 399 us dollars

this seems a little worrying as there is a lot of difference in price??

if i post the tamiya model number for both cars could you identify the kits?

cheers
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Order of 415 kits goes;

TRF415;
Original kit, with 3mm chassis, one-piece bulkheads, front and rear centre braces, dual one-ways, 414 style suspension, Original black belts, and diff pulleys, plastic rear diff outdrives. Steel screws.

TRF415 MS;
Second kit, based on Marc R's '04 worlds winner (Limited edition). 2.5mm chassis, LWT reversible suspension, alloy rear hubs, blue shocks, low friction white belts, new lower shock towers with extra hole in rear, Dual-oneways, delrin rear diff outdrives. Ti Screws

TRF415 MSX Refine2;
Third kit, as MS, but with lower top-deck, two piece bulkheads with integrated camber link mounts, alloy rear diff (using replacable drive pin protectors). Steel screws.

TRF415 MSX Marc Rheinard Edition (MRE);
Forth kit; was the second MSX kit. Limited edition, with the new steering system, 36t delrin diff pulleys and new (longer) black belts, new one-piece centre layshaft (with replacable plastic pulleys) and front spool, new alloy centre brace and centre shaft bearing holders, and a lower deck with extra cooling holes (to utilise the still unreleased cooling duct). Also Ti coated shock shafts & hingepins, Ti Screw kit

TRF415 MSXX;
Coming soon, based on the MRE (so includes new steering system etc). Steel screws, new dual one-ways, new top deck, possibly a 2mm chassis plate, and the aluminium cooling duct. Effectively a non-limited edition MRE, though not quite.

That is a big price difference between the two cars though... who are you looking at buying from??

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MRE and Refine 2 is the same car...no idea why they have 2 names...
Sorry, I thought refine 2 was used about the MRE
Then the refine 2 is the MSX as rightfully noted...
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Old 01-19-2007, 08:54 AM   #17113
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the refine 2 kit was on ebay as a "buy it now".but its gone now so thats that!!! didnt buy it last night because when i put the model number in the tamiya usa site search function it didnt reconise the number.

but ive found msx mre at 430 us dollar plus shipping.??

try hard many thanks for your thorough reply a great help

i also to the time to read your web page.very nice work!!!!
damn you dont mess about do you..im impressed!!!

another concern i have is should i hold out for the latest release???
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ive got a price for the mre at 520 us dollars
and a price for the refine 2 399 us dollars

this seems a little worrying as there is a lot of difference in price??

if i post the tamiya model number for both cars could you identify the kits?

cheers
As we now have established that the refine 2 is the MSX , it should be cheaper than the MRE, but that is still a big price difference. However these cars have had videly varying prices at any time depending on where you get them from. My MRE was a tad over 300 Euro from RC Champ in Japan and at the same between 400 and 500 Euro in other shops around the world...

If you want a very good price you may want to send Masa at RC Champ an email... I would go for the MRE before the MSX if you can get one...

http://www.rc-champ.co.jp/Champ_Inte...onal_index.htm
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Old 01-19-2007, 09:02 AM   #17115
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another concern i have is should i hold out for the latest release???
I reckon go for the MRE, comes with a Protoform Mazda6 bodyshell and as well Titanum Screw set, in all, worth it. Furthermore, it is a Limited Edition kit
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