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Old 04-06-2009, 09:33 AM   #196
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As a club manager and ex stock touring class racer I guess the best answer is that this type of racing has no bearing whatsoever on the class your in. It has to do more with the management of the event AND more importantly with the overall skill level of the drivers in it. RC events as a whole aren't chock full of folks who are professionals and they shouldn't be BUT..part of learning to race on any level should be a proper education on sportsmanship. Race promoters, club managers and other racers have an obligation to teach AND reinforce (maybe even enforce) sportsmanship. If a driver doesn't know whats acceptable then they'll never understand and probably won't strive to become a better driver. IMO, VTA is a great venue to create better drivers. Your statements may be true to a certain extent but the effort would be better served by talking to the drivers rather than saying bad driving is a trait of any particular class.
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As as example, I give you the VTA A Main at Round 4 of the Northeast Grand Slam Series. Check out the video here:

http://www.rctech.net/forum/5511814-post988.html
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And the point is what?? Who made any effort to change it?? If you were there did you talk to the offending drivers ? God knows there are plenty of ugly situation in other classes. There are always going to be those with lesser skills and those who just don't understand......YET. The point is simple....you can do something to help and it has NOTHING to do with this particular class. No flaming meant, just trying to point you in a more constructive direction. We've all been there and I can guarantee some of us already know there are drivers with no respect for sportsmanship. Help to change it when you can.
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As as example, I give you the VTA A Main at Round 4 of the Northeast Grand Slam Series. Check out the video here:

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I'll defend VTA racing. Great video, everyone is laughing and having fun, thats what racing 1/10th scale cars on "1/18th scale" tracks is all about!

If you want that "pardon me old chap, may I pass?" racing, go race full scale vintage or F1.
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I'll defend VTA racing. Great video, everyone is laughing and having fun, thats what racing 1/10th scale cars on "1/18th scale" tracks is all about!

If you want that "pardon me old chap, may I pass?" racing, go race full scale vintage or F1.
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After running a lot of 1/12, VTA is a nice FUN class. There is a big difference between intentional hacking and a little fender rubbing. As slow and closely powered as VTA is it leads itself to close proximity racing. At our club track it is that rubbing that everyone laughs over, even those being rubbed. I do agree it is up to those in charge to keep it civil and not allow it to get to a hack fest, not to mention the racers need to know who to race hard and who to give a wide berth too.
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Old 04-06-2009, 11:30 AM   #203
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sounds like a hackfest from some of the reports I heard... sorta making me sad that I.... I mean Dirty Dirla missed it. while I try to drive and pass clean in our local TA racing. ask speedster that when I finally got by him I did wait till he made a mistake or go wide and passed. although I did barge past JXL but he was off his game in our main last Sunday and I expected him not to be going so slow when I did hit him. I did say I was sorry about it after. this is not to say that last summer I didn't peel second place as I lapped him on our Wednesday night racing. it was just the thing to do to batman aka darkside. and as for how I got my new nickname at snowbirds I peeled greg ronja as he was waiting to fall in behind to try to peel me. so you will find people that don't take TA serious and you will find people that take it too seriously as a real race event to be driven with respect to the other drivers. if I don't know you in TA I won't peel you. but if I know your just out having fun and don't really care how you finish I will plow with extreme prejudice. if you don't like go race in a real class this is for fun by my account. even though haynes cheats to win.... j/k mike
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I'll defend VTA racing. Great video, everyone is laughing and having fun, thats what racing 1/10th scale cars on "1/18th scale" tracks is all about!

If you want that "pardon me old chap, may I pass?" racing, go race full scale vintage or F1.
That's what most people in my area have been treating this class as... a "fun" class. Even though there are serious TC racers in it, they put their egos aside for a little fun. Nothing wrong with that. As someone else stated, it's the on-road version of the Slash class. I hardly ever hear laughing in TC or 1/12 scale during the race, but I do in VTA. And that's a good thing (the laughing part).
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Evoracer and TC_Tuner,

I agree with you on driving educate. I've been to one big race for VTA and was surprised at how many times I was taken out. I may not be the fastest guy on the track, but out of 35 cars I was a low A main driver. Due to some over aggressive drivers I was booted a few too many times to make that realization come true and ended up in the B.

There is not a single class out there in RC racing that would be classified as the crash and bang class unless you make it clear in the rules beforehand that this is the case. People are out there to race and to try and win. Even Slash has gotten out of control. To many beginners start out in these spec class with NO guidance from the race director on how to race. This makes it frustrating for the experienced driver who wants to compete in a closely matched racing class, which is what spec racing is all about.

Good drivers should also be respectful to the slow driver. At a big race like this the race director should give a warning for rough driving and then start docking laps if it continues. Again everyone is out to have fun and enjoy the racing experience and being rough housed by an over aggressive good driver makes you want to quit.
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After running a lot of 1/12, VTA is a nice FUN class. There is a big difference between intentional hacking and a little fender rubbing. As slow and closely powered as VTA is it leads itself to close proximity racing. At our club track it is that rubbing that everyone laughs over, even those being rubbed. I do agree it is up to those in charge to keep it civil and not allow it to get to a hack fest, not to mention the racers need to know who to race hard and who to give a wide berth too.
Agreed.....the slower speeds mean closer racing.


The other thing that people that dont race this class all the time have to remember is that these VTA cars are very top heavy most times with the heavy bodies. It doesnt take much to make a car roll over and look like a crazy peel job when really it was just a racing bump. Plus this weekend at the Nats there were some "curbs of death" and if you put a wheel on them it was a crap shoot to see if you would end up on all 4 wheels or end up on your lid. So its really hard to say that ALL the crashing was a result of poor driving or guys just being a victim circumstance. Also this weekends race was with about 90% pure club racers with a few guys that race at the national level thrown in so the racing isnt always going to be perfect.
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Any pictures of the track layout?
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Here are some thoughts about poor driving that I saw from the race.

Due to the layout, there were sections of the track that made it tough to pass. However, there were sections of the track that were easy to pass on. What was missing from some of the drivers in the A and B main was a little patience.

I did see a few instances of drivers showing sportmanship and waiting if they accidently wrecked a driver they passed, but I would have liked to see more from the drivers in the A and B mains. I will attribute part of the aggressive driving to the fact that cars 5-25 were fairly evenly matched.

Overall I would like to see a little more guidance from the VTA organizers on what type of sportmanship they would like to see from the driver's in this class. Guidance that can be given to race directors to help keep some of the intential poor driving from detracting from this otherwise strong class.
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The way I see it if you want everyone trainup and run in a line racing run TC,if you want door banging,fender to fender fun run transam,there is enough attitude and fighting in this sport as it is,transam is a release and a hell of a good time,I was in that video posted above and it was the best time I have had on the track in a long time,even Mike Haynes who had the bulleye put on his back was laughing so hard it was tough to drive.
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Old 04-06-2009, 03:23 PM   #210
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My son started racing last year. After attending the Novak race this year and seeing the VTA class I decided I would give it a try. As a new racer myself I have to say if the racing at the Novak had been like that video I would still be a spectator. VTA is the perfect class to bring new racers into the sport. If the new racers are getting hacked on by the seasoned veterans my guess is they will not be in the hobby long. I am sure as a new racer I will be doing plenty of unintentional bumping, hacking, etc. But I will try to learn from my mistakes and do better. If the racing turns into a bash fest what do you think the new racers coming into the sport will do when they move up to TC or some other class. My vote is if you want to bash do it in the parking lot and leave it off of the track.

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