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Old 10-16-2003, 11:13 PM   #31
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I just dont think their is any way that mod is cheaper than stock to race,In off road I was running a xxx4 with a D5 10 wind,I had to cut the com(notice HAD) and replace the brushes every 3 runs or it just would not perform,in stock buggy I might go 3 to 4 races without cutting the com. and it's not that I have to but I should.If you you want to compeat at the top it cost money,it does not matter what type of racing it is.And I dont think that cutting the com on a stock motor 2 to 3 times a race day is really helping out as much as you think it is.I have tested this theory with a robotronics dyno and the most I ever gained was 200 RPM's and on some motors I lost 200 RPM's.I think your time would be better spent working on your set up.
You are talking off-road. In that case I totally agree with you, stock is much cheaper. Heck my Monster has run 3 months in my B4 without being cut and still goes nicely.

On-road is a different story, huge amp draw and massive traction.
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Old 10-17-2003, 12:08 AM   #32
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AMG-xxxkat and i both race onroad also and i still believe his theory. besided it would be cheaper if people realized that you can re-serrate the brushes instead of having to put a new set in every time you cut the comm.
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Old 10-17-2003, 01:06 AM   #33
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stock class will always be here. it provides a good starting ground for beginners.
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Old 10-17-2003, 06:50 AM   #34
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eventually I think the "stock" class will be a brushless class with a spec setting on the esc. A brushless class has started at my local track. I hesitated to buy a $250 setup since I already had all the equipment for brushed motors but two weeks ago I broke down and boiught one. I am now kicking my self for not getting one sooner. It is a lot more fun!!! No maintence between rounds. Very fast with tons of torque. I now can concentrate on my car setup rather than rebuilding my motor. It will probably take several years before brushless takes hold but I think it will.
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Old 10-17-2003, 07:47 AM   #35
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In fact Losi Jon and I were racing at a state champs race and a very fast pro borrowed a stock motor from Jon(that motor was not that fast)but this pro won the first main with this motor(my batterys had better # than his)and their were some fast factory drivers at this race.
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eventually I think the "stock" class will be a brushless class with a spec setting on the esc.
I completely agree with this statement and here is why. The concept of a "stock" class is NOT for seperation between "beginners" and "the experienced" It is suppose to be a CONTROLLED class. And the item being controlled is the motor. So, in theory, the stock class racers all have equal motors. The current problem is too many variables about the motor can be changed so virtually no one has the same power as the next guy (and it can be very expensive trying to figure out how to obtain that power!). Which all leads to brushless taking over the stock class because it will be easier to keep it a controlled class (assuming of course the esc's from different companies all have similiar settings... which could be a big hurdle, but hey, i guy can hope)
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Nice to hear some positive outlooks on brushless motors. Sheer speed is not all there is to racing. I think taking a lot of the variables out of the motor equation will help in all classes. I'm a firm believer that BL will eventually be the norm.
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Old 10-17-2003, 12:29 PM   #38
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i think that stock is a good way to learn basics, but people want speed and it may give way to 19t spec, where everyone is still spec, but with slightly more power.
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i think stock class should be split into stock, and pro stock(not spec, pro stock) Stock for beginners, and pro stock for the guys that make stock motors as fast as they can, if you get my drift. This would be at club level, not at any big races, they got divisions for that.
At our track in Memphis, we have the 2 classes. In stock they run Tamiya 540 silver can motors and in pro stock we run the rebuildable 27t motors. I agree with the 19t class. We don't run that class here (shoot mod died off this season) but it would be more fun and probably more competative.
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Old 10-18-2003, 02:10 PM   #40
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Stock class should never die !!! I think some of the ideas brought forward are pretty good.....multi level stock racing for one. But the true situation here is not the equipment........it's the attitude. Way to many clubs and tracks place the emphasis on hardcore racing and nothing more......maybe it's time we started getting back to thinking......."These are toy cars we're talking about and toy's are meant to be fun"
I believe this says it all. There might be newer motors and batteries, but it's more about attitude. I think I'm lucky - in our club, a good laugh counts more than the latetes hi-tech gear.

Our club participiate in meetings with 7 other clubs during the winter. Stock class only! These meetings is divided in approx. 8 divisions. In the G, there's a lot of crashes, but the spirit is good. Going up the middle is the most interesting.

When it comes to the A, well, they has many start overs, since they crash too much ! They drive too hard, because they forget the sportmanship and is only thinking about being on top of the podium. These guys skim the comms for every run ! So they are working all day. As a guy in the middle, I do get the adrenaline to boil AND got time to socialize !

I like the idea of brushless, but there's a demand for equal motors/systems !
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On a stock motor cutting the com after every run is a waste of time,it does not help,you should let your brushes seat (breaking your brushes in for 2 min. at low voltage does not fully seat them)I think that most racers that go to that extreme are looking for that edge,to make up for skill..truth hurts.I only cut the com's on my stock motors when the performance of that motor drops off,The bottom line on stock racing(club level) is it's only as expensive as you want it to be.Here's something to think about,if you buy the best battery's,cut your com. after every run,buy the best parts,everything is top of the line,now if you get off your line or hit a dot/pipe,do anything wrong, all your work all your money is wasted,the best driver is still going to win most of the time.
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I like this topic!Good points on all sides .So what does it all come to ? The club or track you race at and the additude of the racing at said track.I race with a mostly Nitro club so we see about 6-9 racers in elec touring.We try to keep it a 19t class but you can run what youbrung. So we have two guys who win and then the rest of the others,and our cars are just as fast we just dont drive as well.Some times we put in stock motors(track changes every week)to deal with conditions. I own a com lathe the fast guys dont!Some times i win !If you are having problem at your track trying to keep up with the guys who are on the top of there game then ask to set up a class for your level of drivers.Stock motors will remain and provide for some very close racing which is what makes for some very fun times and that is what toy car racing should be!So find the class you like for your reason and have fun!Then go out and spend, spend ,spend to have fun..........
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On a stock motor cutting the com after every run is a waste of time,...I think that most racers that go to that extreme are looking for that edge,to make up for skill..truth hurts......,the best driver is still going to win most of the time.
If it help or not to skim the comm for each run, I dont know. But these guys I'm talking about, is the ones on the podium

Personally, I only cut the comms for every 20 runs.
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Stock motors will remain and provide for some very close racing which is what makes for some very fun times and that is what toy car racing should be!So find the class you like for your reason and have fun!
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Then go out and spend, spend ,spend to have fun..........
Not so good point.... at my opinion, you can have great fun, by spending some less....
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Why cut comms down to almost nothing when they are new, all that does is waste copper and wipe out a lot of usable comm life. Ya'll only need to skim it enough to make sure it's really round. All cutting it down does is increase RPM and lessen the Torque. wouldn't it be easier just to change gear instead of whacking your comm down. More Torque, more gear, more RPM, less gear.

It's not rocket science people.

And why change brushes every 2-3 runs... never heard of a comm serrater. Most of the time, your throwing out perfectly good brushes. Unless they are burnt severely, they are still good, and will breakin quicker, after you re-serrate them after a comm skimmin'. Just think of them as half broken in already cause they pretty much match the comm now.... imagine that.
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