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Old 11-30-2008, 08:53 PM   #31
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While i agree with that advise, i still want a cool lipo shoot out...

I find it funny how quick everyone is to give the magazines a pass on this. To me this is a very interesting and timely topic.

Instead of reasons why it can't be done i would think more responses would be reasons why they should do a shoot out.


With all the brand bashing on this forum you would think all the fan boys would be spouting off about how there XYZ is better then ABC packs and with a shootout we could be updated bi-annually what packs truly are the best.
While I agree with you I do not believe the mags will do it right. Way to many politics involved.
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Old 11-30-2008, 09:11 PM   #32
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So then we should not trust the use of X-dyno then? To much politics?
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Old 11-30-2008, 09:23 PM   #33
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I am sorry but I am not familiar with X-Dyno. All I know is that mags pay their bills with advertising dollars and they will not shoot theirselves in the foot with the answers that will have to be givin witth this shootout. A car shootout is not the same. They dont have to say that X manufacturer is blowin smoke with their labels.
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Old 12-01-2008, 05:23 AM   #34
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No but at the end of the shoot out the do report the fastest car.

Im not saying that they have to get all "RCTECH" on the manufactures asses and FLAME the living Crap out of them if there labels are off or way off. But they sure could show us the data..

Computer magazines test and flame all kinds of PC hardware. Saying things like it dont live up to the hype or the specs. Too expencive for what it can do ect ect..


Oh well ill step back and let this one just bury its self. Seems that rc tech users are more about just arguing then asking for the facts.

Intentional dig at users to post here! LOL
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Old 12-01-2008, 08:12 AM   #35
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Maybe get Horizon or Tower Hobbies to do the tests. They are distributors of most of the big names out there and can just go grab one off the shelf in the warehouse. They both have R&D departments with vary capable staff to do the testing if given the proper equipment.

May also be a chance to weed out those vendors that are claiming more than what is really there which is bad for business in the long run. Having been a vendor to both in the past, I know that they do look at the quality of the products and reputation in the market place before carrying a product line as this ultimatley affects their reputation and sales.
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Is there a consensus on what the best way to do this testing is? Where can I get some info on the equipment used, as well as the proper protocol to follow?
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i think this is a great idea, would love to see figures from the packs..

what i wondered though is whether or not it would be worth seeing the figures at amperages equivalent to the different approved classes?

maybe these..

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max "C" rating, continuous
max "C" rating, burst

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[email protected] max "C" rating

might even be worth printing the method of determining labelled pack capacities. For example, labelled capacity must be minimum 90% of actual cell/pack capacity at max continuous "c" rating. So a 4200 cell/pack would need to give 3800 (3780) to be labelled and sold as a 3800mah pack.

i'm sure there are other more useful figures, but its a start

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I'm more interested in the Peak sustained wattage of the batteries over the C rating. This way I can compare batteries of different capacities.

Watts = Horsepower, so tell us all how many ponies those batteries can dish out under a constant load.
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So you want your shootout from someone that is being paid to present a product in a good light?
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So you want your shootout from someone that is being paid to present a product in a good light?


Oh boy..... the fact that i read any magazine gives you the answer to that question then doesnt it?


If you feel the magazines are full of paid off writers, thats fine. I dont really care. I do know that i would like to see a shootout. In the end its the end user that will decide what they want.



The nitro guys get there info from xtreme i want mine too:

These are the results from the X-Dyno, which is the ONLY inertia dyno (like full scale engines are tested with), in the RC industry. So when a manufacturer CLAIMS a engine makes 3hp, this dyno usually proves their claims to be a little on the 'inflated' side...


Company Size (ci) Engine HP TQ Peak RPM Fuel %

Associated 0.280 MGT 4.6cc 1.10 @ 19,500 rpm 57.60 oz-in @ 17,750 rpm 34,250 rpm Byron 30%

Axial Racing 0.120 .12RR Spec 1 0.88 @ 30,900 rpm 28.48 oz-in @ 31,100 rpm 39,100 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%

Axial Racing 0.280 .28 Spec 1S 1.41 @ 23,400 rpm 61.85 oz-in @ 23,400 rpm 33,400 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%

Axial Racing 0.280 .28 Spec 1S 1.43 @ 22,800 rpm 75.61 oz-in @ 18,000 rpm 35,000 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil

CEN 0.260 NX-26 1.02 @ 23,200 rpm 53.00 oz-in @ 18,000 rpm 33,200 rpm Racer's Edge Sure Fire 30%

CEN 0.460 X-76 .46 1.58 @ 21,250 rpm 74.88 oz-in @ 16,500 rpm 36,000 rpm Byron 30%

GS 0.247 GS-R25MT 1.20 @ 24,000 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 17,000 rpm 35,500 rpm Orion Black Demon 30%

HPI 0.180 18 SS 0.63 @ 29,500 rpm 24.96 oz-in @ 22,250 rpm 32,500 rpm O'Donnell 20%

HPI 0.250 Nitro Star F4.1 0.94 @ 20,250 rpm 48.60 oz-in @ 18,000 rpm 33,500 rpm HPI 30%

HPI 0.280 K4.6HO 1.28 @ 19,500 rpm 64.76 oz-in @ 19,500 rpm 32,000 rpm HPI 30%

HPI 0.280 Nitro Star K4.6 1.32 @ 22,250 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 19,750 rpm 35,000 rpm Byron 20%

HPI 1.400 Feulie 2-stroke N/A N/A N/A 2-stroke fuel 25:1

IRC 0.050 IRC/Toki N/A N/A N/A Trinity Nitro Power 20%

Kyosho 0.260 GSR-26 0.94 @ 31,500 rpm 46.08 oz-in @ 14,300 rpm 34,250 rpm Trinity Monster HP 30%

LRP 0.120 Z .12R Team Spec.2 1.11 @ 34,500 rpm 32.46 oz-in @ 34,250 rpm 41,250 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil

Mach 0.150 .15 Rear Exhaust 0.65 @ 21,500 rpm 30.72 oz-in @ 11,000 rpm 29,500 rpm Orion Black Demon 16%

Max Power 0.120 .12 S-3MF 0.91 @ 34,750 rpm 28.80 oz-in @ 30,250 rpm 43,000 rpm Trinity Monster HP 30%

Max Power 0.210 Max .21 1.35 @ 24,500 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 21,000 rpm 38,250 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%

Max Power 0.210 MX21M5 1.35 @ 24,500 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 21,000 rpm 38,250 rpm O'Donnell 30%

Mugen 0.120 X12 SE 0.88 @ 21,500 rpm 28.80 oz-in @ 30,000 rpm 42,500 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil

Mugen 0.120 X12 SE 0.88 @ 21,500 rpm 28.80 oz-in @ 30,000 rpm 42,500 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil

Novarossi 0.210 N21B 1.33 @ 22,750 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 20,750 rpm 35,750 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil

Novarossi 0.280 N528XR Hott Mod 2.02 @ 26,250 rpm 80.64 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 38,500 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil

Novarossi 0.210 P5 1.46 @ 25,250 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 37,750 rpm O'Donnell 30%

O.S. 0.120 .12TZ(S) T3 0.80 @ 34,000 rpm 24.96 oz-in @ 21,750 rpm 38,500 rpm 20% nitro, 12% oil

O.S. 0.120 12 TR 0.65 @ 30,000 rpm 25.00 oz-in @ 23,250 rpm 39,350 rpm White Lightning Pro 20%

O.S. 0.120 12 TR-T Outlaw 0.73 @ 31,500 rpm 25.96 oz-in @ 27,250 rpm 41,000 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil

O.S. 0.180 .18 TZ-T 1.18 @ 29,400 rpm 44.16 oz-in @ 21,750 rpm 42,050 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil

O.S. 0.210 VZ-B V-Spec 1.47 @ 24,250 rpm 61.20 oz-in @ 22,500 rpm 41,500 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%

O.S. 0.300 30VG 1.80 @ 26,500 rpm 74.88 oz-in @ 18,750 rpm 35,500 rpm O'Donnell 30%

Ofna 0.210 Hyper 21 8-Port 0.98 @ 20,750 rpm 49.92 oz-in @ 14,750 rpm 33,000 rpm Sidewinder Pro Race 30%

Ofna 0.260 Force .26 1.02 @ 24,000 rpm 48.00 oz-in @ 19,500 rpm 38,500 rpm Byron 30%

Ofna/Picco 0.210 P7-R Evo .21 1.08 @ 24,800 rpm 58.93 oz-in @ 25,400 rpm 39,300 rpm Werks 30%

Ofna/Picco 0.210 P7-R Evo .21 1.08 @ 24,800 rpm 58.93 oz-in @ 25,400 rpm 39,300 rpm Werks 30%

Ofna/Picco 0.210 P7-R Evo .21 1.47 @ 25,200 rpm 59.01 oz-in @ 24,800 rpm 39,400 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil

OPS 0.210 .21 Speedster 1.64 @ 27,000 rom 62.06 oz-in @ 26,200 rpm 41,800 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil

OPS 0.210 .21 Speedster 1.27 @ 27,000 rom 57.53 oz-in @ 19,200 rpm 39,800 rpm Werks 30%

Peak 0.120 Diablo .12 Type-R 0.51 @ 25,550 rpm 21.10 oz-in @ 19,000 rpm 33,000 rpm Trinity Platinum 20%

Peak 0.280 Diablo .28 1.33 @ 27,500 rpm 48.00 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 40,800 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil

Racers Edge 0.320 Sure Fire .32 1.65 @ 21,750 rpm 74.80 oz-in @ 21,000 rpm 34,500 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil

RB Concepts 0.120 V12 Rody 3T 0.95 @ 34,250 rpm 28.80 oz-in @ 28,750 rpm 44,750 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil

Rex 0.120 R12S5 Outlaw 0.84 @ 34,750 rpm 26.88 oz-in @ 26,750 rpm 41,250 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil

Rex 0.120 ReR5 5-port turbo 0.84 @ 34,750 rpm 27.00 oz-in @ 26,750 rpm 41,250 rpm O'Donnell 30%

SH 0.210 PT2002XB .21 1.21 @ 22,100 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 19,750 rpm 39,000 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil

SH 0.280 0.28 1.22 @ 20,500 rpm 61.40 oz-in @ 14,750 rpm 38,450 rpm Trinity Monster HP 30%

Sirio 0.120 S12T3 EvoIII 0.79 @ 35,050 rpm 23.04 oz-in @ 22,000 rpm 40,750 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil

Sirio 0.210 P21 PR Pro 1.46 @ 27,750 RPM 53.76 oz-in @ 26,250 RPM 41,000 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%

Sportwerks 0.260 0.26 1.30 @ 26,750 rpm 53.76 oz-in @ 19,000 rpm 42,750 rpm Sportwerks 30%

Super Tiger 0.270 G-27CX 0.86 @ 17,250 rpm 50.70 oz-in @ 16,250 rpm 30,250 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%

Tamiya 0.150 FR-15S 0.48 @ 30,250 rpm 21.12 oz-in @ 13,000 rpm 36,500 rpm White Lightning 20%

Team Losi 0.270 Mach 427 1.31 @ 26,750 rpm 53.80 oz-in @18,750 rpm 43,250 rpm Trinity Monster HP 30%

Team Orion 0.120 CRF Wasp .12 1.17 @ 36,800 rpm 32.12 oz-in @ 36,800 rpm 46,000 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil

Thunder Tiger 0.210 Pro .21 0.92 @ 21,750 rpm 57.60 oz-in @ 16,750 rpm 37,750 rpm Trinity Monster HP 20%

Thunder Tiger 0.280 Pro 28 BXR 1.10 @ 19,500 rpm 57.60 oz-in @ 17,750 rpm 34,250 rpm O'Donnell 30%

Thunder Tiger 0.282 Pro .28 0.96 @ 23,200 rpm 51.22 oz-in @ 14,400 rpm 33,400 rpm Trinity Platinum 30%

Top 0.120 TS12S3 0.77 @ 31,000 rpm 26.88 oz-in @ 20,250 rpm 41,750 rpm 30% nitro, 10% oil

Traxxas 0.150 TRX 2.5 Rear Exhaust 0.69 @ 29,750 rpm 30.72 oz-in @ 18,750 rpm 38,500 rpm Traxxas 33% Top Fuel

Traxxas 0.200 TRX 3.3 Pullstart 0.97 @ 31,250 rpm 37.49 oz-in @ 19,500 rpm 37,750 rpm O'Donnell 30%

Traxxas 0.200 TRX 3.3 Pullstart 1.06 @ 30,900 rpm 38.32 oz-in @ 22,700 rpm 38,100 rpm Traxxas 33% Top Fuel

Trinity 0.210 Adam Drake Platinum .21 1.48 @ 25,400 rpm 57.72 oz-in @ 25,400 rpm 41,000 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil

Trinity 0.260 427 Monster Horsepower 1.02 @ 24,250 rpm 48.00 oz-in @ 19,250 rpm 38,100 rpm Monster HP 20%

Trinity 0.300 .30 Adam Drake 1.44 @ 21,750 rpm 55.68 oz-in @ 27,000 rpm 36,250 rpm 30% nitro, 12% oil

Werks Racing 0.210 Collari B7 1.54 @ 26,000 rpm 59.52 oz-in @ 23,750 rpm 36,650 rpm O'Donnell 30%

Xray 0.049 NT18 N/A N/A N/A Trinity Nitro Power 20%

XTM 0.247 XTM 24.7 1.27 @ 23,000 rpm 61.44 oz-in @ 16,750 rpm 37,250
rpm Orion Black Demon 30%
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Old 12-01-2008, 11:18 AM   #41
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i believe they have gone to a standard fuel at this point
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Old 12-04-2008, 01:45 PM   #42
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oops bump.
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Can't let this one go can you Joel?

Have you heard anything back from Xtreme RC?
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Too bad.. This is a great idea.
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I'm with you on this one Joel, us Canucks gotta stick together

I really do hope that a reputable source puts together some sort of LiPo grading database...I definitely can't afford to try every one of them in order to find out which gives the best bang for the buck.
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