143LikesAwesomatix EP Touring Car (A700 Shaft Drive)
11-19-2011, 06:37 AM
#871
Many of the characteristics that I liked in other cars are starting to show up well in this car. They aren't transferable in specific measurements, geometries or quantities - but they can get worked into the unique ways that the car reproduces the performance in its own implementation.
11-19-2011, 08:11 AM
#872
Like most other kits, there are certain trends that you see in the setups that sometimes dictates characteristics like common springs, roll centers, camber positions and bodies.... I think it is early in this cars life to see those trends.
In most of the setups I am not seeing a lot of variation in any use of sway bars or big roll centers changes. As the only A700 I have seen in person is Steens it is hard to get perspective on what a good behaving A700 looks like. Steens car looked phenomenal. I have watched a few really good drivers take my car out for a test drive. In the hands of other, all things relative of course - the car looks really aggressive (good!), reactive and nimble.
It will be good once we see more owners provide feedback on their experiences.
Many of the characteristics that I liked in other cars are starting to show up well in this car. They aren't transferable in specific measurements, geometries or quantities - but they can get worked into the unique ways that the car reproduces the performance in its own implementation.
+++++ A tip that I picked up from the guys that used run the Alex Baracuda sedan - use White Lightning on the input/ring gears. Reduces friction, noise and makes the drivetrain really smooth. Apply thin coat, let dry and reapply. Race/practice with the car and reapply. It doesnt need a lot.
In most of the setups I am not seeing a lot of variation in any use of sway bars or big roll centers changes. As the only A700 I have seen in person is Steens it is hard to get perspective on what a good behaving A700 looks like. Steens car looked phenomenal. I have watched a few really good drivers take my car out for a test drive. In the hands of other, all things relative of course - the car looks really aggressive (good!), reactive and nimble.
It will be good once we see more owners provide feedback on their experiences.
Many of the characteristics that I liked in other cars are starting to show up well in this car. They aren't transferable in specific measurements, geometries or quantities - but they can get worked into the unique ways that the car reproduces the performance in its own implementation.
+++++ A tip that I picked up from the guys that used run the Alex Baracuda sedan - use White Lightning on the input/ring gears. Reduces friction, noise and makes the drivetrain really smooth. Apply thin coat, let dry and reapply. Race/practice with the car and reapply. It doesnt need a lot.
I use to run the R2 back in the day...i remember using the Teflon lube coating for my gear diff or shaft drive ....works great it won't attach with the dirt
11-20-2011, 12:05 PM
#873
Ivan TQ and winner of prostock at the ATS.
11-20-2011, 07:29 PM
#874
Attached is my starting setup. More improvements. Progressing well.
Good
+ Tire wear is really good. Almost too good
+ Mid to exit steering is good
+ Sway bars implemented
+ First comfortable setup with the P37 body
Needs improvement
- Need more overall front 'bite'.
- Need more initial steering (could be symptom of the glued fronts)
- Needs to work better with LTCR
Learned
* Asy Dampeners - deadened the car too much for a 17.5 class. Made the car feel really numb. Needed more reactive dampening rate.
Good
+ Tire wear is really good. Almost too good
+ Mid to exit steering is good
+ Sway bars implemented
+ First comfortable setup with the P37 body
Needs improvement
- Need more overall front 'bite'.
- Need more initial steering (could be symptom of the glued fronts)
- Needs to work better with LTCR
Learned
* Asy Dampeners - deadened the car too much for a 17.5 class. Made the car feel really numb. Needed more reactive dampening rate.
11-20-2011, 09:25 PM
#875
I was pitting alongside Ivan and Oleg at the ATS, have to say the car is really a work of art, and in pro stock at least just looked so easy to drive. Super settled on the track, but great corner speed. Plus they were both really nice guys and good fun to chat with. Top job.
11-21-2011, 12:39 AM
#876
I just finished building my A700. Throughout the build I was blown away by the precision / tolerances but mostly the design. A new era has begun... Congratulations Oleg and thank you.
If anyone wants to check out my build pictures you can go here :
http://gallery.me.com/jaked#100273
Cheers,
Jake
If anyone wants to check out my build pictures you can go here :
http://gallery.me.com/jaked#100273
Cheers,
Jake
11-21-2011, 01:02 AM
#877
Tech Regular
I just finished building my A700. Throughout the build I was blown away by the precision / tolerances but mostly the design. A new era has begun... Congratulations Oleg and thank you.
If anyone wants to check out my build pictures you can go here :
http://gallery.me.com/jaked#100273
Cheers,
Jake
If anyone wants to check out my build pictures you can go here :
http://gallery.me.com/jaked#100273
Cheers,
Jake
Bb
11-21-2011, 05:18 AM
#879
Attached is my starting setup. More improvements. Progressing well.
Good
+ Tire wear is really good. Almost too good
+ Mid to exit steering is good
+ Sway bars implemented
+ First comfortable setup with the P37 body
Needs improvement
- Need more overall front 'bite'.
- Need more initial steering (could be symptom of the glued fronts)
- Needs to work better with LTCR
Learned
* Asy Dampeners - deadened the car too much for a 17.5 class. Made the car feel really numb. Needed more reactive dampening rate.
Good
+ Tire wear is really good. Almost too good
+ Mid to exit steering is good
+ Sway bars implemented
+ First comfortable setup with the P37 body
Needs improvement
- Need more overall front 'bite'.
- Need more initial steering (could be symptom of the glued fronts)
- Needs to work better with LTCR
Learned
* Asy Dampeners - deadened the car too much for a 17.5 class. Made the car feel really numb. Needed more reactive dampening rate.
I'm no expert but IMO It doesn't need to work better with the LTCR. The LTCR is the problem. Its the last body I'd use with this car. Turns initially then pushes bad mid corner. Worked a treat with my 417 as the car itself is so unstable. This car is the antithesis of the 417.
Proto Mazdaspeed 6 all the way. Much more natural rotation. Move the wing to forward position and/or cut low to get the desired attack.
11-21-2011, 05:38 AM
#880
I do generally agree with your observations.
I'm no expert but IMO It doesn't need to work better with the LTCR. The LTCR is the problem. Its the last body I'd use with this car. Turns initially then pushes bad mid corner. Worked a treat with my 417 as the car itself is so unstable. This car is the antithesis of the 417.
Proto Mazdaspeed 6 all the way. Much more natural rotation. Move the wing to forward position and/or cut low to get the desired attack.
I'm no expert but IMO It doesn't need to work better with the LTCR. The LTCR is the problem. Its the last body I'd use with this car. Turns initially then pushes bad mid corner. Worked a treat with my 417 as the car itself is so unstable. This car is the antithesis of the 417.
Proto Mazdaspeed 6 all the way. Much more natural rotation. Move the wing to forward position and/or cut low to get the desired attack.
Coming out of a successful outdoor season, the LTCR was great on asphalt. I have Speed6s coming.
Good point.
11-21-2011, 06:46 AM
#881
Hy 
regarding on bodies ...
- the Mazda speed 6 is the best allround body (very stable)
- Mazda speed 6 lightweight (more sterring than an normal weight mazda)
- LTCR (more frontbite entering the corner, so more agressiv than a mazda)
- LTCR light (more agressiv than the normal one)
for setup it is easy .... normaly you can easy adjust every car to be perfect with a mazda 6. he mazda is always easier, the LTCR faster on one lap.
if you want more frontbite in corner entry on your A700 just try some antidrive in front front front "0" and front rear "0,5mm" ... more cornerbite in middle and exit, adjust active caster.
Also pay attendtion on the positioning of your body !! this will cahnge a lot on your setup. I always run then so much in the middle ass posible +- 0.5-1cm between the front body and the bumper.
regards Tom
regarding on bodies ...
- the Mazda speed 6 is the best allround body (very stable)
- Mazda speed 6 lightweight (more sterring than an normal weight mazda)
- LTCR (more frontbite entering the corner, so more agressiv than a mazda)
- LTCR light (more agressiv than the normal one)
for setup it is easy .... normaly you can easy adjust every car to be perfect with a mazda 6. he mazda is always easier, the LTCR faster on one lap.
if you want more frontbite in corner entry on your A700 just try some antidrive in front front front "0" and front rear "0,5mm" ... more cornerbite in middle and exit, adjust active caster.
Also pay attendtion on the positioning of your body !! this will cahnge a lot on your setup. I always run then so much in the middle ass posible +- 0.5-1cm between the front body and the bumper.
regards Tom
11-21-2011, 07:20 AM
#882
What are your findings after trying with/without anti roll bars?
Its odd not fitting them because I wouldn't dare take them off my other cars, with good reason.
But the team guys are winning big meetings without them. And look at the link lengths we're running with this thing, longer than the wishbones.
Its almost like I'm going to have to let go of what I think I know to get the maximum out of the car.
TBH it doesn't feel right for me but the laptimes are fantastic. It'll probably be slower if I get it to my liking
Its odd not fitting them because I wouldn't dare take them off my other cars, with good reason.
But the team guys are winning big meetings without them. And look at the link lengths we're running with this thing, longer than the wishbones.
Its almost like I'm going to have to let go of what I think I know to get the maximum out of the car.
TBH it doesn't feel right for me but the laptimes are fantastic. It'll probably be slower if I get it to my liking
11-22-2011, 01:14 PM
#883
Unfortunately my first experience with AWESOMATIX is not goin as expected.
After placing an order, here is the story.
Order processing history:
11/17/2011 16:31:57 Comment: Sorry for delay due to additional
checking of all kits. Shipped
11/17/2011 16:29:51 Order shipped Shipped
11/15/2011 16:06:09 Comment: We will check all ST16 parts of your
kit. Processing
11/14/2011 23:21:40 Processing order Processing
11/14/2011 23:21:38 Comment: Thank you for payment! Pending
11/10/2011 02:14:53 Customer placed this order Pending
In order to make enquiries on the shipment, i asked today for a tracking number, here is the answer:
First email from AWESOMATIX:
Sorry for several days delay.
We have discovered wrong C02 carbon parts in the latest kits prepared
for sending and we are waiting parts for replacement from our carbon
supplier now.
My email in reply:
Which is the truth, shipped or not ?
If my order as not really being shipped iet, i suggest to cancel it and
reimbours my money due to the excessive delay, i can no longer wate, and the
not transparent behavior i can not accept.
If shipped why don't you supply tracking number, as i asked for it in previous mail.
Second email from AWESOMATIX:
Your parcel was not shipped till today definitely.
Sorry for premature notice of shipment!
We can provide you the latest information from our Taiwan's store
tomorrow only.
I pretend as a customer honesty first of all.
After placing an order, here is the story.
Order processing history:
11/17/2011 16:31:57 Comment: Sorry for delay due to additional
checking of all kits. Shipped
11/17/2011 16:29:51 Order shipped Shipped
11/15/2011 16:06:09 Comment: We will check all ST16 parts of your
kit. Processing
11/14/2011 23:21:40 Processing order Processing
11/14/2011 23:21:38 Comment: Thank you for payment! Pending
11/10/2011 02:14:53 Customer placed this order Pending
In order to make enquiries on the shipment, i asked today for a tracking number, here is the answer:
First email from AWESOMATIX:
Sorry for several days delay.
We have discovered wrong C02 carbon parts in the latest kits prepared
for sending and we are waiting parts for replacement from our carbon
supplier now.
My email in reply:
Which is the truth, shipped or not ?
If my order as not really being shipped iet, i suggest to cancel it and
reimbours my money due to the excessive delay, i can no longer wate, and the
not transparent behavior i can not accept.
If shipped why don't you supply tracking number, as i asked for it in previous mail.
Second email from AWESOMATIX:
Your parcel was not shipped till today definitely.
Sorry for premature notice of shipment!
We can provide you the latest information from our Taiwan's store
tomorrow only.
I pretend as a customer honesty first of all.
Last edited by ropezz; 11-22-2011 at 01:43 PM.
11-22-2011, 01:23 PM
#884
IMHO, while it is not ideal it is good the caught the issue before it arrived. Email Oleg directly. He is good about getting back to you
11-22-2011, 06:19 PM
#885
Looks like yours will arrive much faster than mine Good to hear the factory is getting up to speed
Good to hear the factory is getting up to speed