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Old 12-10-2003, 09:12 AM   #766
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LOL David J! I was scrolling the threads late last night and came across a post by Ron A... i have been so pleased with his cells lately that i had to snag his Avatar for some shameless and innocent product endorsement!! Hope you guys dont mind!

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Old 12-10-2003, 09:18 AM   #767
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DaveW - The Double Pink/Oranges have been by far the best front tire this year (at least in the mod class). I am sure that Jaco is not going to discontinue them!!

Ozwald - Anti-dive will decrease steering vs kick-up. Anti-dive will drive flatter and react faster where kick-up will make the car smoother, sometimes even lazy but with more steering...

SpeediePHATT - Look in the Cleveland report area on this web site. They took a bunch of pictures of the CEFX12.

Adam - Yep, I will be there!

KMW - I'm not sure where they measure droop from on this car. I believe it's from the bottom of the front steering block screw and that was 1mm. In the rear I went off the bottom set-screw holder part of the hub carrier and that was 3mm... I tried 64p on my car and it was very loud for some reason!! The spacer on the rear hub carrier gives more rear camber change - more steering...

Keith - How am I supposed to do that?? I don't have any info!!

Ray - Thanks for the info!!

Brain L - No 6 turns...lol...

XrayEye - The Double Pinks are usually around a 35-37 shore. The Orange part varies from about 40-50....
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Old 12-10-2003, 09:34 AM   #768
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Anti-dive will decrease steering vs kick-up. Anti-dive will drive flatter and react faster where kick-up will make the car smoother, sometimes even lazy but with more steering...
What do you usaully run? Anti-dive or kick-up? and if if so... why?

what about anti-squat and pro-squat?

Does this apply to all RC cars?

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Old 12-10-2003, 11:23 AM   #769
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KMW-Josh,

I found that there are 2 different rear hub carriers with the same part numbers, probably a revision. The older one has a shorter set-screw boss. This can make the duplication of setups difficult.

Referencing a droop # using the screw in bottom of the c-hub can be problematic as well. It will be in a different position when using the plastic versus the aluminum c-hubs. If I'm using a setting of 2 with the plactic c-hubs it works out to be a 1 with the aluminum's.

Josh, thanks for posting your set-ups and helping us out with the XRay.

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Old 12-10-2003, 12:28 PM   #770
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Mercury Racer - I usually run flat - no anti-dive or anti squat. In the rear - more anti squat usually gives you more steering off-throttle and more rear bite on-throttle. Pro-squat gives less steering off-throttle and more steering on-throttle. It can be decieving though - Anti-squat will make the car feel smoother on the first initial steering input where Pro-squat will make the car react faster..... I know it applies to TC's... I'm not sure about off-road...

Ralph - I'll measure my car from the lowest point of the suspension arms (at the outer hinge pin) for my droop setting and I'll post it tommorow (I'm going to practice tonight)....
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Old 12-10-2003, 06:23 PM   #771
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Mercury Racer - I usually run flat - no anti-dive or anti squat. In the rear - more anti squat usually gives you more steering off-throttle and more rear bite on-throttle. Pro-squat gives less steering off-throttle and more steering on-throttle. It can be decieving though - Anti-squat will make the car feel smoother on the first initial steering input where Pro-squat will make the car react faster.
So... when you say pro-squat - that's on the rear suspension tipped down to the front?

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Old 12-10-2003, 07:57 PM   #772
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Kick-up and Anti-dive in the front...

Anti-Squat and Pro-Squat in the rear...
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You didn't answer the question Greg...

Sands..You are correct, pro-squat is when the hinge pins are angled down in the front.
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Toledo this weekend Bob? Or do you have to "work"????
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I usually run flat - no anti-dive or anti squat. In the rear - more anti squat usually gives you more steering off-throttle and more rear bite on-throttle. Pro-squat gives less steering off-throttle and more steering on-throttle.

... so does it follow that if i added anti-squat, i'll have a bit of understeer since the car will have more rear bite?

... when are the times or conditions that you do run anti-dive or anti-squat?
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Josh, Cd here just wanted to give you a shout out! Are you coming to the Novak? Also if you could send me your e-mail addr. my painter wants to get some of your kick Aaaaaaa grafix sheets for my SB bodys, hopefully I will see you at the Novak and I can pick something out, I still don't know if I am going yet.
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Josh,
It was fun seeing you and Jake mix it up at the CRL. It was a nice end to a great weekend. He talked about it all the way home. Looks like you are getting your new stuff figured out. Good luck on your new ventures.
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sands - Yep...

highwayman - On throttle you would have more rear bite.... Off throttle you may have more steering. Adjusting things just depends on what you want the car do at any particular track. Myself, I haven't run anything other than flat in a long time - I just don't like the feel of kick-up or anti-squat...

Chris - I'll be at the Novak race!! Practicing with 19t yet?? [email protected]

ohiorcdad - Thanks!! It was a lot of fun and I figured it would be a better way to end the weekend with a bit of fun. I know I learned a lot from racing with Blackstock and a few others when I was younger so I hope Jake had a good time and it was good practice for him!!!
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