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Old 10-17-2008, 05:23 PM   #1
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Default AE RC12L Resto from '88 Worlds -- Please Help

ATTENTION OLD GUYS (like me)

In light of the current "The Future of 1/12 Scale" thread I was tempted to call this one "The Past of 1/12 Scale"

I recently roped my buddy Miles back into R/C racing after a 20-year hiatus by loaning him one of my VTA cars which he promptly cleaned my clock with his first time out. He went home and dug out the RC12L he raced at the worlds in the Netherlands in '88 and hasn't touched since. We want to resurrect this thing on the cheap for some fun club racing (19T 4-cell) and I need a little help, mostly with wheels and tires.

DISCLAIMER: I don't race 1/12 scale (yet) so I don't even know the basics. For all I know RC12R5 wheels and tires will bolt right on to this thing.

The front wheels are on with E-clips. The rears are 2-hole.

Here's the plan:

1) disassemble and clean everything
2) rebuild diff
3) add Orion Method R SV2 19X2 I have laying around
4) add cheapo Dynamite Tazer 15T ESC I have laying around
5) add rx/tx I took out of my Slash
6) take apart some EP4600 6-cell packs I have laying around to make 4-cell saddle packs
7) solder new plug onto the steering servo

My main questions:

1) Will this ancient Futaba FP-S148 servo work just with a simple plug change?
2) What do I do about wheels and tires?
3) What's the best body to run that will fit?

Many thanks!









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Old 10-17-2008, 05:32 PM   #2
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1) It should work fine so long as you get the wires in the right order
2) Well 2 bolt pattern rims are still available...some even make a rear rim that accepts both 2 bolt and 3 bolt pattern. However 3 bolt will be easier to find. That being said I'd suggest picking up an IRS rear axle assembly so you can use modern rims. That should only run about $40ish. As for the front axles replace them with any of the threaded front axles...they should still be the same size.
3) Given the high rear pod with the spring on top you'll need a body that is high in the rear. A Parma Speed 8 is pretty high in the rear or the Parma Zytek which mounts even higher on my car should clear the chassis just fine. If not you can always mount the body higher and mark a new lower line so long as you don't cut it out before you mount it.
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Well 2 bolt pattern rims are still available
Can you tell me a manufacturer and/or part number?
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these guys have them on their site. don't know how they perform.

http://tm-rc-racingcomponents.com/
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these guys have them on their site. don't know how they perform.

http://tm-rc-racingcomponents.com/
Those will work but pretty expensive. As you want to do this on the cheap I'd suggest doing it like the old days, yea I still have my 12L and 12i. You can get the donuts from CRC and like the days before premounts reuse your old rims.
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here is the CRC link
http://www.teamcrc.com/crc/modules.p...category_id=64
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Do I really have to replace the front axles or can I just deal with the E-clips for a while? Will modern wheels fit?
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The e-clips should work but the threaded axles are very inexpensive if you go with steel ones...well worth the investment. The CRC steel front axles are only $5.
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The e-clips should work but the threaded axles are very inexpensive if you go with steel ones...well worth the investment. The CRC steel front axles are only $5.
Yeah, I just found them on the CRC website, P/N 1235. Thanks.
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I almost forgot what a TOJ looked like. I will have good dreams tonight.

Honestly, that ride should be preserved on the mantle on the fire place of the racing hall of fame. It will have far more significance there then if you bring it back. But if you do, leave the rust!
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Keep the history!

Go and buy a 2nd hand L4 for about 50 Euros and add your bits to that.
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hello,

do not stick a big ole tazer and traxxas radio gear into a vintage car. c'mon. just preserve it for what it is.

if he did run at the worlds, what in the world was he using a standard servo like a s148 in it? that itself doesnt sound right in the first place b/c its a futaba G connector. the 38 was the last servo in that line to use a G as they had already began to phase it out when this car was running.

restore that toj. take a jug of old nitro fuel you dont wanna use and strip all the old paint off. fix some of the rough spots and repaint. true em down and glue some new foam to those vintage rims (curious as to why they were never trued).

wire & clamp steering rods? swore techacraft or somebody had links back then. either way, de-rust those links and stick them back til u can find some vintage links.

if you want a period servo, i'd find somethin else like a bantam midget or s132H mini if they can be found. i think i recall the 148 case not fitting older 28s which that thing couldve been. so i dont think it was 're-cased'. either way the 148 looks bloated in the 12 scale heh. you could a newer mini in it and thats okay. honestly for the shelf it doesnt really need a servo at all.

dont run it, freshen it up and put it on the shelf to admire. it'll cost you more $ and time to race that thing then to pick up a used current 12. and since dynamic strut has been out since around '94. if u snap 1 of those old front pickups on a board. u'd have to convert the whole front end thus the point is clear.

have fun restoring, but make a side project for a new 1.

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throw away the tires
throw away the body
throw away the servo
throw away the reciver
throw away the front axles
throw away the rear hubs
throw away the spur gear
throw away the drive rings
toss the diff balls


the other guy is right..put the car up and buy aused 12th scale and be done with it...how did he run the worlds with that car and the huge tires?
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do not stick a big ole tazer and traxxas radio gear into a vintage car. c'mon. just preserve it for what it is.
Eh, it's been preserved for what it is for 20 years. He wants to bust it out and play with it for nostalgia's sake, and if the sickness kicks in again I'm sure a new pan car with all of the proper goodies will follow. I appreciate the sentiment though as I'm a vintage car fan myself.

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if he did run at the worlds, what in the world was he using a standard servo like a s148 in it?

wire & clamp steering rods? swore techacraft or somebody had links back then. either way, de-rust those links and stick them back til u can find some vintage links.
I'm not sure it's exactly as-raced. Memory can be fuzzy after 20 years, and it's a car Associated gave him so maybe it wasn't his main rig.

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restore that toj. take a jug of old nitro fuel you dont wanna use and strip all the old paint off. fix some of the rough spots and repaint.
For sure -- no plans to run the TOJ. It's probably the coolest thing about the car and the thing he's most nostalgic about.

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dont run it, freshen it up and put it on the shelf to admire. it'll cost you more $ and time to race that thing then to pick up a used current 12. and since dynamic strut has been out since around '94. if u snap 1 of those old front pickups on a board. u'd have to convert the whole front end thus the point is clear.

have fun restoring, but make a side project for a new 1.

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I'm afraid it's going to get run for a while! Like I said before, I'm sure it'll end up on the shelf with the restored TOJ on it but for now it's going to get to stretch its legs again.

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throw away the tires
throw away the body
throw away the servo
throw away the reciver
throw away the front axles
throw away the rear hubs
throw away the spur gear
throw away the drive rings
toss the diff balls


the other guy is right..put the car up and buy aused 12th scale and be done with it...how did he run the worlds with that car and the huge tires?
Thanks for the original and insightful post. From the "cleverly" concealed profanity in your name to the misspelled word in your avatar I knew some true pearls of wisdom were to follow.
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