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Old 10-03-2008, 10:35 PM   #16
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IMO Rubber tires should be for anything that has a floating A-Arm and SwingShafts (aka CVD's and Half-Shafts) This provide a realistic tire and the sound of rubber on asphalt is awesome.

Foam tires should remain the choice tire for pan cars with solid axles and fixed a-arm.
Very well put. I agreed with you 100%, myself is new on rubber/carpet racer at my local track 360 raceway.

IMO Lipo/BL/Rubber is da waay to go for this hobby, I ran 6 weeks with 1 set of tyres that incld heavey practice with 5000mah lipo no brushes to buy no leathe to carry no tyre truer and 1 single pack to carry!

after long break from this hobby, this is why I came back and I'm having a ball again!!

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I agree John.
This hobby stopped being fun for me a while back and it makes you wonder what you,re spending money on it for.

Cheaper ,easier , more racing.
Thats where its at.
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I was a hardcore foam tire only TC racer for a long time. It was, and still is for the most part, the only TC racing around my area. I quit racing TC, and carpet in general, after the '06 Champs, after getting fed up and disgusted with what it cost to run competitively at the biggest track around here. Between crappy brushed motors, crappy 2 week wonder NiMH batteries, and 1 race foam tires, I had had enough. Went offroad racing for the last 2 years. Then I raced my dad's USVTA car one week and now I'm back into carpet racing. Lipo's, 21.5 BL motor, and spec rubber tires are a great way to run TC again. Oh, and the cool bodies.

I don't know that I could get back into high level stock TC racing on 'real' rubber tires. Deep down inside, I still prefer foam tires, except for the cost. I'd have to drive someone's very well set up rubber tire car to change my mind. That and there's still no real stock rubber TC class around at any tracks. Maybe a good turnout in that class at the Halloween Classic could turn things around.
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I'll second the Trans Am feelings.

Many of our TA racers have taken to running a second class in conjunction with TA....13.5BL/19turn with rubber tires. They are loving it. Enough speed and low maintenance with a 13.5 to quench the speed demon and enough speed for 90-100 foot straightaways on carpet.
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How many of you reading this have tried rubber racing and continued to prefer foam racing?

How and why please.

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pro's and cons of rubber

pro

alot safer
you can last longer
they come in flavors
ribbed for her pleasure
easy clean up
did i mention there safe

con's
never have one when you need one
too small (at least for me)
can get expensive
you can only get one run out of them
may require sauce to help with traction

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How many of you reading this have tried rubber racing and continued to prefer foam racing?

How and why please.

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I really don't race foam anymore, since there is very little participation, but I don't care for rubber much. Foam was far better than rubber when everybody ran purple and plaid- the cars were reasonable to drive and tire life was decent. As the switch to softer and softer compounds came, and everyone started to run the same tire on all 4 corners, foams became much more difficult to deal with. Tires ripped and chunked without much cause, and they became so difficult to drive, everybody went to rubber.

If your facility wants to continue racing foam, why not go with a spec tire, like a purple, or purple and plaid? Even lilac would probably be ok.

The cars will be easier to handle, and the tires will last a lot better than double pink or magentas do. You will probably be able to run them bigger than the softer tires as well, getting more runs. I have seen foam from $10 a pair, which is much less than rubber. The tires will not start to go off after a certain amount of runs as rubber does.

I know everybody hates foam now, but there was a reason it became so popular. Unfortunately, we shot ourselves in the foot trying to go faster
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Rubber. Almost anybody can drive with foam.
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BTW there seems to be a misconception that "anyone" can drive with foam. Yeah, the car will probably not spin out going around the track, but that is about the end of it. There is a giant difference in a fast foam car that is working well and a car that can be a giant handful to drive and usually very slow on laptime.
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How many of you reading this have tried rubber racing and continued to prefer foam racing?

How and why please.

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I prefer foam but only because I prefer pan cars. 12th and 10 pan cars just feel awesome to drive and I will always chose to drive them over TCs. Rubber TC on asphalt comes a close third though.
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I really don't race foam anymore, since there is very little participation, but I don't care for rubber much. Foam was far better than rubber when everybody ran purple and plaid- the cars were reasonable to drive and tire life was decent. As the switch to softer and softer compounds came, and everyone started to run the same tire on all 4 corners, foams became much more difficult to deal with. Tires ripped and chunked without much cause, and they became so difficult to drive, everybody went to rubber.

If your facility wants to continue racing foam, why not go with a spec tire, like a purple, or purple and plaid? Even lilac would probably be ok.

The cars will be easier to handle, and the tires will last a lot better than double pink or magentas do. You will probably be able to run them bigger than the softer tires as well, getting more runs. I have seen foam from $10 a pair, which is much less than rubber. The tires will not start to go off after a certain amount of runs as rubber does.

I know everybody hates foam now, but there was a reason it became so popular. Unfortunately, we shot ourselves in the foot trying to go faster
Rob....I don't know where your info came from but jaco tires go faster the more you run them.........up to 30 or 40 runs sometimes. You can't sniff that with foam tires no matter what compound you use.
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This is a difficult choice.
+1. As Or8ital has listed the pro's and con's of each I won't repeat it, but as a club the organisers have a lot of choices to make. Scale/type of car, tyres, classes etc etc....

Some don't wash well with their members, so it pays to have an open mind as possible.

I don't know your club but I would try to be logical as possible about introducing any type of "spec" tyre.....

1) Approach ALL of your racers, members and non members. Their voice is sometimes stronger than the people organising the meeting. No racers, no club!

Ask them how they feel about the club with regards to tyres.

a) Type out a form or something and politely ask them to put it in a suggestion box. Make the forms annonymous too if need be.

Some people are shy about their ideas because if it gets tried and it doesnt work they will feel guilty and look stupid.

or

b) Just ask everyone before racing commences about tyres.

At a later date, when the various options have been considered, all club members should attend an AGM where a vote can take place.

To me, that seems the most logical and fairest way of doing things.

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