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Old 01-14-2004, 08:49 AM   #271
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Someone definately likes to hear themselves talk.
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Actually I have yet to see one at the track yet. The rules have been very clear in years past, and the way the rules are currently written they shouldn't be legal. Besides, I think keeping the 04 as the only SS car gives it some uniqueness still.
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Old 01-14-2004, 08:56 AM   #273
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If you want to be unique run a TA03 R-S like I do against the new Tamiya cars out. Hanven't finished worse than 6th in 3 years with it at TCS races in GT2. Talk about be at a disadvantage with my car. Tamiya really should work on the rules some because they make so many new cars a year with such minor changes that is almost impossible to keep up with the rules.

Tamiya racing in GT1, GT2, and GT3 are really catering to the 04's and maybe now the TB-02 but in GT1 it is just their highend stuff and GT1 really needs to be a 04 because the other cars can't be geared to go fast enough.

I would buy the 02 for my new TCS racer but Tamiya insists on using that goofy motor mount that only lets you have a few gearing choices. I like this car because it coul be good in al Tamiya classis if it just had an adjustable motor mount. With the plastic tub on it the car fits in GT1, GT2, and GT3.
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Old 01-14-2004, 08:58 AM   #274
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I FINALLY have the definitive argument against allowing the SS arms on the Evo/TB-02:
The arguement has been that since the cars use the same arms as the 04, they should be allowed, right? Well....

The M03 mini accepts the TA02/03drivetrain upgrades, right? So racers have used 02 and 03 diffs for years. This year at nats someone had the bright idea to use a one-way instead of a ball or gear diff. Fred quickly said this was illegal.

How are these not similar situations? The 02/03 driveline parts fit and are designed to fit the M03 just as the ss arms are supposed to be designed for the Evo/TB-02. If you dis-allow one, you should dis-allow both. Or allow both.....
That is not a fair comparison. The SS arms were meant for the TA04/414 series as well as the TB02/EVO3 series of cars.
Your drivetain parts may work with the M03. I don't think there were designed for the M03 as well. It's more like a cost effective measure to re-used those parts.
If the one-way was listed as an option part for the M03 as well then you have a point. is it?
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The TB-02 is the car I really want for TCS because of the tub chassis and the fact that most EVO III parts fit it and I can use the blue alum. conversion on it. Its just that motor mount thing is my only real hangup.
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Oh Maaan! Did RC Driver Gary made me respond again? Did I not say I won't be spending my preciious time again about this from him....geeeezzz
Hey, jut talk to Fred and get it over with and stop making me respond to your debate.
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No, the one way is not listed as a hop up option....neither are the SS arms for the 414/Evo/TB-02

You don't think they used the 04 arms for the same reason as the 03 driveline parts, To reduce tooling cost? I do.

Izzy, please don't take this as me arguing with you personally. My arguement is against the rules themselves, not you.
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I talked to Fred about this very same arguement on Monday...he couldn't deny my point.
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The TB-02 is the car I really want for TCS because of the tub chassis and the fact that most EVO III parts fit it and I can use the blue alum. conversion on it. Its just that motor mount thing is my only real hangup.
That is also one of my quirks (motor mount).
But it is not really too bad because it still gives you a lot of gearing options.
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No, the one way is not listed as a hop up option....neither are the SS arms for the 414/Evo/TB-02

You don't think they used the 04 arms for the same reason as the 03 driveline parts, To reduce tooling cost? I do.

Izzy, please don't take this as me arguing with you personally. My arguement is against the rules themselves, not you.
Nothing personal at all. I get personal on the Track and with my wife only.
So did Fred say the SS arms are illegal?
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He said he would have to think about it. He admitted that if he allowed one, he might have to allow the other. He didn't have a major problem actually with allowing the one way, but it fell under a "Rule 17" dealio at the Nats. I think things were easier when there was less wiggle room under the rules. All Tamiya, All the time (except for gears, motor, and battery connectors)
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I might still get one. Our shop is getting their TB-02 sometime this week. I will check it out then. I do like all the cool hopups that will fit the car though. It has lot of tuning options that my poor old but very cool 03 don't have.
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I may get one myself. I admit I like the car, I just worry about it having the same one-way problems the Evo has. That and the limited gearing choices. I'd like to see Fred say you can slot the holes to make the gearing adjustable, but I don't see that happening.
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i wouldnt really see a problem with the gearing... i havent built mine yet, but the instructions give quite a variety, using the two spurs in the kit and several pinions... ill prolly wind up stripping one of my evo's for some of the hopups... the only thing in the rules i liked the change was the use of non Tamiya screws... i absolutely hate using Philips head!!!!! now i just need a TCS race closer to my state...
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I may get one myself. I admit I like the car, I just worry about it having the same one-way problems the Evo has. That and the limited gearing choices. I'd like to see Fred say you can slot the holes to make the gearing adjustable, but I don't see that happening.
I would like to see a slotted motor mount as well. Als the one thing I would assume would still be a problem in the this car as well... I like the slotted plastic tub myself. I don't care for split packs tat much at all.
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