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Old 09-04-2008, 02:07 AM   #16
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ok I have owned a Tb Evo 5 and have only one complaint about the chassis and that is that its a ball acke to change a spur gear!!! and with the 415/416 its a breeze other than that both are awesome chassis to run but I would go with the 416 as that would leave you with some other options later for running mod motors ! just my 2 cents !


the evo5MS has a new spur gear design.. better check it out.
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Old 09-04-2008, 05:09 AM   #17
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Yeah, the Evo 5 MS is slightly different. It even has the bigger bearings of the 416.

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Old 09-04-2008, 07:00 AM   #18
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Have you considered the Ta05ms? The car has a slightly different balance to the Ta05 as the motor is mounted more towards the rear. Its very efficient. I used to only run shaft cars but this car is just amazing, its smooth and responsive out of corners and the steering is fantastic. (I race indoors on Foams).
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Old 09-04-2008, 07:48 AM   #19
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I did consider it, but I like the TB03 so much I wondered what a carbon, lightweight version would be like, ala Evo 5 MS.

I think if I were to go belt, I'd do the 416, as it was actually designed to run rubber tires, according to the Tamiya folks. I think the TA05MS is supposed to excel on carpet with foams, as you mentioned.

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Old 09-04-2008, 08:02 AM   #20
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Get the EVO 5 MS and let us know how it goes.
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Old 09-04-2008, 08:09 AM   #21
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stick to SD, especially if u like it!

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Old 09-04-2008, 08:33 AM   #22
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Wait pgeldz, would you mind to tell us what kind of track that you race?
What size, how tight and about the traction of the track, in the case this is really a matter to choosing which type of car and not the matter the type of class you run.

If you don't mind you could show us the photo of there to make a judgement fairly.

You have to understand, these are 2 types of car completely different.
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Old 09-04-2008, 10:36 AM   #23
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Tamiya introduces the next generation of the high performance shaft driven car. The TB Evolution V MS is an evolved and updated version of the Evo V. It has some parts similar to the the belt driven TRF416 and also some new parts like the aluminum rear bulkhead. The Evo V MS won't replace the current TRF416. The Evo V MS is specially made for the stock class. The shaft drive gives direct torque, instant power and less drag. This is perfect for the stock class, but can give you some torque steer with the Modified technology.
The TB Evolution V MS will be out at June the 21st and will cost around 400 Euros (64800 Yen).
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Old 09-04-2008, 10:38 AM   #24
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Looks like Tamiya is recommending this for stock class, I'd like to know how easy is it to change the spur gear over the regular EVO 5 like I have.
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Old 09-04-2008, 11:39 AM   #25
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Without event hinking about it I say get the 416. I know people who had both and were always faster with the belt, being 415 vs evo4 ms or 416 vs evo 5 ms the lap times are always gonna be better in belt...
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Old 09-04-2008, 12:13 PM   #26
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Oh, boy here it goes again, Shaft vs belt debate. I personally like both, and can see the benefit of both. Yes, with a stock motor a shaft car should be more efficient on paper, but it is the driver who must wheel it to win in any case. Practice, practice, practice is the key to tuning any chassis. I dont care if its belt, or shaft, if you dont practice enough it wont matter which chassis you buy.
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Yo Paulie, it's the Beef again. I figure I'd give you my 2 cents

I would think that you should go with shaft drive. After reading all your threads and posts, I feel like you are subconsciously VERY much a fan of shaft drive. Why? You were a TC3 driver, and you like the direct drive feel.

In a world where shaft and belt are both competitive than ever, I believe that the REAL edge you're going to get is mental. How confident are you at attacking the turn? Do you think your car will pull to the side on a long straight? Do you cut the corner more to compensate for any flaws in the drive system.

If you feel like SD is more direct and will transfer all your power, you will be subconsciously driving more confidently than you would if you are driving belt (my guess). Due to your experience, you are more comfortable with SD, and belt might be subconsciously more tentative.

You know how you said the TB03 was a dream to drive? A part of that may be due to your feeling confident and familiar with belt drive. "I know this chassis already. I know how shaft can attack corners. I can use my aggressiveness to my advantage because I know shaft will handle it."


I say go with the SD. Your subconscious is working a lot more than you think (it's working in all of us, in all of our decisions and actions). Go with what you KNOW you're comfortable with.
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?
2008 JMRCA was changed Stock class is 19T !

http://www.jmrca.jp/motor/motor2008.htm#m19
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Looks like Tamiya is recommending this for stock class, I'd like to know how easy is it to change the spur gear over the regular EVO 5 like I have.
they've changed the spur gear assembly on the MS. it's now similar with any of their belt TC cars.

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Hy !

I own a Evo5 for 2 years now, and i am very happy with it. run it in 13,5T BL and also 23T Brushed race classes with no issuses.

The problem with the spur gear change is also no big thing for me, because the gearing is already fixed, an i only stripped one spur in 2 years of racing.

I case of reliability i run the oneway most of the time, and stripped only one front crone gear in two years.... Thats awesome to.

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