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Old 09-09-2003, 06:15 PM   #16
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Actually Troy, I have no problem with Bill, where my problem is with the people above him. I have spoken to Bill about this issue in the past. I think this is National issue, and not a regional one.
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Old 09-09-2003, 07:51 PM   #17
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hey dogg are you asking him to commit suicide are you nuts!

we want the roar officers to look here and see what we want and give them ideas how to grow and correct the problems in roar now.
Excuse me? I see this as a problem with Roar's current rules... so I made a suggestion(as you asked us too)
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Old 09-10-2003, 06:04 AM   #18
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fattdoggy your comments are ok here
we are writing about a regional officer who does an excellant job with the power he has . but is restricted by the higher archry. he has done a lot for our region here in florida. because of him we have had a good amount of nationals here because of the lobbying he's done for the tracks in our area. if the other officials would listen to us we would have a better roar. its rather difficult to have electric guys talking to a guy incharge of a racing body who's main intrest is nitro. and of course being only human its hard not to be byuss and not be more favorable to the nitro scene. i must admit atleast they retracted the way the rules that were imposed for qualifying for us and reinstiated the origional forematt which to me means that they are actually trying to be accomodating. thank you roar ! now lets work together and get roar better publicity and listen to us about what we would like to see done to our classes.
we need to address the foam tire issue on electric cars. we hate the rubber tires nitro guys have been running on foam for awhile and we want them to.
does anyone know what roar is thinking on this.
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speed/doggy,

I agree with both of you with regard to using foams, mostly 'cause I hate gluing tires . Unfortunately, this ball was dropped at the very beginning when touring cars first became popular. Now you have companies that have dedicated a LOT of R&D, $$, and time into producing "industry standard" rubber tires, inserts, and wheels. The decision to run foam should have been made years ago.

As a result, it would take more than just ROAR to make this change happen for sanctioned competition. The ROAR Electric Touring Car class is following the rules structure laid out by IFMAR. ROAR's rules have to be compatible with the rest of the world, so to speak, because the top ROAR competitors have the opportunity to compete with the World's best. In order to do so, they must compete with the same rules (Now I know that ROAR created and allowed foams for the "carpet" class, but to my knowledge, this is a ROAR only class; it is not internationally recognized).

Luckily, at the club level, these rules can be "bent". Talk to your track administrator and fellow racers if you want to run a foam class at your club races, but if you want to compete at the Regionals or Nationals, you're gonna have to keep using the rubber (don't glue your fingers together! )

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julio i think you been out too long roar has given option for clubs at national carpet event to have the option of running foam or radials i have read threads posted here from other countries and a lot of them have been running foams.
i dont have an ifmar rule book and i doubt you do (not trying to pee you off!) so i dont know what thier position is on foams and what option they offer to the event host but i guarentee that we
are not the only racing body with racers having negative gripes about radials, iam sure the subject has graced their board meetings. as far as the manufactures they ll make money wether its foam or radials, it costs more to make a radial than a mounted and trued foam tire, so profits are higher and thats no including the profit theyll make on tire truers.
trust me julio they ll make money no matter what and i am sure they hate having to out do each other . nowadays it really doesnt matter how much they develop tires because most big races are now run with a spec tire. so theres no advantage to testing other than trying every body elses compounds to see how it works with their chassis. never say never julio you never know what they'll do.
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Old 09-10-2003, 09:47 AM   #21
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Julio, just a note... alot of us are running - Pre Mounted rubber tires ( Take Offs) not much gluing :>
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Old 09-10-2003, 12:20 PM   #22
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speed,

No offense taken , and you're right, it's been a while since I've been able to run (it sucks living in Miami/South Dade!) - Yeah I know that I can go to Coral Springs... Believe it or not, I work about 15 min. from the track(heck of a drive to be making 5 times a week, I know)! I gotta get some fresh horsepower (motor/batts) to start running my TC3. As for the Impulse, I'm kinda waiting to see what Serpent's gonna do with the 705 before deciding what to do with it... I'm Jones'n Big Time!

I did point out that ROAR does allow foams for carpet races, and as you pointed out, I'm sure that EFRA and the other sanctioning bodies around the world have similar allowances, but rubber tires are mandatory for the Pavement On-Road TC class, which is the class officially recognized by ROAR as qualifier for the IFMAR ISTC class. I'm sure that the other sanctioning bodies follow the same policy for their respective Official championships in their ISTC classes.

You're right, I don't have an IFMAR rule book.... BUT, it is available online (who says the Internet is only good for Porn? ), and in the rules it specifically states that only molded rubber tires are allowed.

Maybe if we can get our International buddies to lobby their sanctioning bodies, eventually, we can ALL benefit!

spooky, Thanks. I hope to start running in the State electric series later this year/next year... I suppose that the pre-mounts aren't allowed?
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Actually Julio, for 19t and mod , premounts are required.
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Great! When I read about control tires, I thought that it was just the tires.
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Old 09-10-2003, 06:12 PM   #25
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What about legalizing brushless motors?
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I'll second the vote for brushless !!!!!!!!
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Brushless is the future of RC... period. When I got into electric a while ago one of the worst things was learning that my motor needed constant, sometimes costly, and worst time consuming cleaning and repair. It was time I could have spent on wrenching on the car and racing. With brushless I have a powerful motor that runs and runs and runs... it never stops and I never have to work on it, just my CAR. While there are RC companies that stand to lose money over a brushless future, in the end ROAR needs to stand by the consumers which ultimately drive this sport.
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Old 09-10-2003, 07:25 PM   #28
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When a brushless motor is faster then a brushed motor I will be all for it but right now they are not very fast at all.....unless you use more cells. And you really cant compare Brushed motors to Brushless because the magnets used in the brushless are better but are not legal to be used in brushed motors. If brushed motors could use the same magnets then they would more then likely be faster yet. Its only the future for lazy people...... J/k. Plus not all brushless motors will be the same so people who race will more then likely buy more then one to get a "fast" one...and at the current cost ROAR should not allow them unless just the motor alone can be bought for the same price of motors now. Im not anti-brushless but most of the people who are using them don't race in ROAR races so it doesn't really matter if ROAR does allow them or not. It would be very nice to not have to do anything to my motor but I just cant see them all being the exactly the same....look at stock motors it will be the same thing but more expensive. Ok let me go get my flame retardant suit now
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ohh man i should have never brought out the brushless issue this thread will degenerate in t-minus 9,8,7....
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crono its cool its ok for us to speak out
i think brushless motors are good for hobby people that want nothing to do than play with thier car infront of their house, for racing the ability to tune a motor is a skill that is learned and masterd by some do to trial and error.
tuning is part of racing its not a black art there are enough threads explaining how to properly set up a motor, i would like nothing more than to plug in and play if i knew that all the motor were equall but there is no way all the motors are the same the manufactureing tolerences are imposible to recreate in every motor to be identicle, whith a brushed motor this exist aswell but! at least you can play with it to make it competitive.
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