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Old 08-21-2008, 04:26 PM   #1
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Default 1/12 Pan Brushless Lipo Rubber Tire Class?

Seems to me like this would be just about the "most racin', least fiddlin'" thing possible. As a somewhat-new racer, the things that turn me off about 1/12 scale are the brushed motors, screwing with batteries, and the foam tires. I love the looks of the cars and the simplicity of the chassis and drivetrain compared to touring cars.

Brushless is obviously here, SMC has lipo on the horizon for 12th scale, so how about rubber tires? Has it been done? Or would this take the "soul" away from 1/12 scale?
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Time and technology may have changed..but years ago someone tried building tires similar to the Touring Car tires for Pan Cars...they didn't work ( I remember hearing the belief was because the Pan Car was too light)

There ARE or Were CAPPED 1/12th scale tires (For Oval) but I can't imagine they ever worked for On-Road Racing.
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The Tamiya F103GT seems to have worked well in the TCS and it's basically a 1/10th pan car on touring car rubber. Maybe it only works at silver can/black can speeds...
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cap 1/12 tires SUCKED!!! Thats why they are a thing of the past. Yes foams can be agrivating, but the traction is superior.Plus if you get the ride height dialed on your car for stock class you can squeek a few weeks of racing out of a set, especially the pre-trued jaco prisms.
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Seems to me like this would be just about the "most racin', least fiddlin'" thing possible. As a somewhat-new racer, the things that turn me off about 1/12 scale are the brushed motors, screwing with batteries, and the foam tires. I love the looks of the cars and the simplicity of the chassis and drivetrain compared to touring cars.

Brushless is obviously here, SMC has lipo on the horizon for 12th scale, so how about rubber tires? Has it been done? Or would this take the "soul" away from 1/12 scale?
I would suggest a video game version of 12th racing to take all the hassle, broken parts and work out of the hobby.
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First the F103GTs are much longer and wider then a 1/12th. 2nd they don't work all that well against 4wd rubber tire cars. And lastly they work many many many times better with foam tires.

I raced the F103 chassis with the F1 rubber tires and very much disliked using those tires. I missed the foam tires but at the time they were no longer readily available so we had to use the rubber tires. One of the worst things that ever happened to F1 was the move away from foam tires, in my opinion.
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One of the worst things that ever happened to F1 was the move away from foam tires, in my opinion.
Another one was trying to mix HPI F1 cars with Tamiya and Kyosho cars....but that's a whole different subject.
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Another one was trying to mix HPI F1 cars with Tamiya and Kyosho cars....but that's a whole different subject.

I agree...I wish HPI, Corrally, and the others that made F1 cars had stuck with the standard F1 wheel and tire that Tamiya and Kyosho used.
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I would suggest a video game version of 12th racing to take all the hassle, broken parts and work out of the hobby.
I bet you're patting yourself on the back right now over your clever comment. Congrats!
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Uh oh Pete, are you eyeing 12th scale now?!???? I sure hope you say yes!

Personally I prefer foam tires as I started with them for nitro onroad. I love the added complexity. Setting the car back to the same ride height after the foams wear down changes much more than many think. Your roll centers change, and from there you have to re tune it out essentially. What fun!
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Uh oh Pete, are you eyeing 12th scale now?!???? I sure hope you say yes!

Personally I prefer foam tires as I started with them for nitro onroad. I love the added complexity. Setting the car back to the same ride height after the foams wear down changes much more than many think. Your roll centers change, and from there you have to re tune it out essentially. What fun!
I kind of am, and this thread was just a lark based on our earlier conversation about brushless and lipo in 12th scale. Like you said, running one class makes for a slow day, and I've kind of done the mini cooper thing (I'll still bust it out for big races or another points series), and if one of the "novelty" classes like open wheel or Vintage doesn't take off I'll be looking for something else to run. I think 12th would be the natural choice given the scene at CAM.
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do all 1/12 drivers use brushed?
i do not think so. most are driving brushless these days and also in racing they have the open class that allow brushless motors.
i like foam tires much more then rubber. they have more bite and i dislike the sticky stuff with the rubbers.
i would also like to have some lipo saddle packs that fit perfectly into a 1/12 chassis but the need sticking to 4-cells is no torture...
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I would suggest a video game version of 12th racing to take all the hassle, broken parts and work out of the hobby.
?? Working on a 12th scale is way more of a hassle then working on a Touring Car? interesting....
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?? Working on a 12th scale is way more of a hassle then working on a Touring Car? interesting....
Get some sleep Froggy..........your not making any sense
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there is a 2wd 12th scale rubber tyre class that can run lipo and brushless.... it's called mini cooper which are front wheel drive for a reason. don't try to make another class because you don't want to work on anything. like was said I have a copy of RC pro am somewhere I'll give you. if you bored I would suggest you spend some time cleaning your diff balls or rotating tyres. If you are just running for fun and to burn up addition class time standard 12h class is fine. I used two 4cells and a 17.5 brushless and just swapped tires each round to take the GA state 12th scale champs. while wrenching on my touring car all day chasing setup. but I like to work on my stuff as that is part of the fun of real racing. and as for 12th scale on rubber yes not enough weight. touring car is 4wd and weighs almost twice as much as a 12th scale and has trouble with traction on rubber tyres. I guess you could make your own 1/8th scale electric 2wd pan car and and add a lot of weight to it and you might get it to go around the track instead of spin in circles. but not with the 12th scale there is a reason the rear tires are twice as wide as the front. it has to do with phyics and psi
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