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Old 07-24-2008, 02:24 PM   #61
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Just a thought but why cant lipos be made a touch heavier that way you would only need to add a little weight to get the weight up.

I dont think we need a lower weight limit just be more able to get to the limit without loads of lead.
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i have a question, why are we limiting technolodgy only to conform to rules (i am not saying that they are not a good thing) when we can be altering the rules to conform to newer technolodgy?

im sure there is a valid point, but i havn't found it yet.

(i don't mean to offend anybody, its just a simple question)

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Having to add lead to your car is not limiting technology. In this case, altering the rules does not conform to the new technology. There is no need to change anything to run these packs, except lead.
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Old 07-24-2008, 09:01 PM   #64
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What is the valid point in making LiPO's add ballast?

That is like asking a 100pound jocky to add 150 pounds of sandbags to his horse because I, Mr. 245pound-Can-Squash-You-Like-A-bug want a fair race.

Face it, some people and some technologies are better suited for certian applications.
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Old 07-24-2008, 11:13 PM   #65
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Do any of you complaining about having to 'add ugly weight and penalize technology' go to national level events? If so, what events have you gone to, and what events are you attending this year?
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With less weight comes less inertia. so whenever one hits another car or the boards, broken parts becomes less of an issue. sometimes if you're lucky, parts don't break at all.

Motors don't have to work as hard, there's less rolling resistance and you can use a softer suspension setup for any given track surface.
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This is a frustrating thread.

Most TCs are underweight with 6-cell NiMh so the fact you have to add ballast or that it is ugly is not a good argument because you have to do it anyway regardless of the battery you use.

If you think that a lighter car won't break as easily or is easier on equipment, where were you two, three, seven years ago? Why was nodoby lobbying to lower the weight then? LiPo or not, lighter is better right?

Limiting technology to confirm to old rules? Hmmm I am not sure how keeping the weight limit as is limits technology. What does the weight of the car have to do with how a battery performs? LiPo fans know that a car with LiPo will always beat a car with NiMh; all other things being equal.

If NiMh dropped off the face of the earth this afternoon, the weight limit should still remain as is.

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This is a frustrating thread.

Most TCs are underweight with 6-cell NiMh so the fact you have to add ballast or that it is ugly is not a good argument because you have to do it anyway regardless of the battery you use.

If you think that a lighter car won't break as easily or easier on equipment, where were you two, three, seven years ago? Why was nodoby lobbying to lower the weight then? LiPo or not, lighter is better right?

Limiting technoilogy to confirm to old rules? Hmmm I am not sure how keeping the weight limit as is limits technology. What does the weight of the car have to do with how a battery performs? LiPo fans know that a car with LiPo will always beat a car with NiMh; all other things being equal.

If NiMh dropped off the face of the earth thius afternoon, the weight limit should still remain as is.
Well said Rick.
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Ummmm if the car is lighter it will be moving faster given the same HP so when it crashes it will now be going faster then it was before. The increased speed by the reduction in weight has to factor in at some point. Check out Newton's Second Law....F=MA (Mass X Acceleration = Force) Just because you are going to make something lighter doesnt automatically mean it will break less....you will be going faster so run the math and see which way will have more force when it hits a wall.
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Ummmm if the car is lighter it will be moving faster given the same HP so when it crashes it will now be going faster then it was before. The increased speed by the reduction in weight has to factor in at some point. Check out Newton's Second Law....F=MA (Mass X Acceleration = Force) Just because you are going to make something lighter doesnt automatically mean it will break less....you will be going faster so run the math and see which way will have more force when it hits a wall.
Or...simply run the TEST...lighter car/faster car breaks more....
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I think that an adjustment on weight would be nice, but now is not really the time to do it with NIMH still in the equation... I know that lowering the weight would help with thermal issues on motor, save a bit on tires, and other benifits of having a lower weight limit....
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Ummmm if the car is lighter it will be moving faster given the same HP so when it crashes it will now be going faster then it was before. The increased speed by the reduction in weight has to factor in at some point. Check out Newton's Second Law....F=MA (Mass X Acceleration = Force) Just because you are going to make something lighter doesnt automatically mean it will break less....you will be going faster so run the math and see which way will have more force when it hits a wall.
That point was already made and rebutted.

Race Classes Determin Race Speeds!!! Yes it will take less horsepower to make the same speeds, so there is a reclassification for motor power.

Then the whole world is turned upside down and inverted because hobbyist took the approach to save lower weight limits to curb demand for scarce natural resources and save money doing so.
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That point was already made and rebutted.

Race Classes Determin Race Speeds!!! Yes it will take less horsepower to make the same speeds, so there is a reclassification for motor power.

Then the whole world is turned upside down and inverted because hobbyist took the approach to save lower weight limits to curb demand for scarce natural resources and save money doing so.
I don’t see how it was rebutted or how you can change physics.

You are talking about two entirely different things. Slowing the cars down will do everything that you think taking weight out of the cars will do. So why not start a thread about slowing the cars down....that is what really needs to happen IMO. Taking weight out of cars is only going to make them faster given the current rules. If you slow the cars down and keep the weight the same guess what....they won’t break as much and more people will be able to enjoy racing them. Taking weight straight out of the cars isnt the answer it will make things worse.
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I donít see how it was rebutted or how you can change psychics.

You are talking about two entirely different things. Slowing the cars down will do everything that you think taking weight out of the cars will do. So why not start a thread about slowing the cars down....that is what really needs to happen IMO. Taking weight out of cars is only going to make them faster given the current rules. If you slow the cars down and keep the weight the same guess what....they wonít break as much and more people will be able to enjoy racing them. Taking weight straight out of the cars isnt the answer it will make things worse.
But there is the point. Everyone is talking about removing weight without attempting to slow the cars down at all. People keep saying that it's physics that you take weight out of the car and magically they won't break as many parts... All without considering how much faster the cars will get.

If they are considering how much faster the cars will get, and they want an unfair advantage so that their cars can go faster, they are retards. If you want to go faster, run mod.
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Aren't TC light enough? Man I just wish manufactures make a chassi for lipo's with weighted battery tray! Solved! You take weight off the TC and parts will fly
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