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Old 06-27-2008, 12:57 PM   #16
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How about my MM cell master, in the case it says in the specs?
But i don't think could be, why the people still buy those low profile lipo charger, if most of them has already these high-end nimh chargers.
If really these ice or supernova are more safety, or else i don't get it, why should the people need it?
Ice or supermova ... is expensive Li-Po charger & don't need !
hi-end charger had more cell & Amps to charge & Discharge only !

Orion July & AUG had release Li-Po charger with best price !
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Any one tried one of these yet, (Orion 3800 30c lipo) is it true that there 30c rated, or is it just a sales pitch
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Malc, Spencer has one, might be using it on Sunday so you can ask him yourself.

There has been a big discussion on C ratings.
There is no industry standard so it's mainly marketing crap.

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General question for lipos.

Whats a good brand of discharge/eqliz to get ?
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General question for lipos.

Whats a good brand of discharge/eqliz to get ?
Although I don't own a Checkpoint charger, I do use their discharger/equalizer as a standalone unit to balance my Orion 3600 lipo packs in its discharge mode. The Orion unit comes standard with the correct connections for the Orion packs. I do it about once a month and it only takes seconds before indicating it is done equalizing the pack. Will do the same for the 3800s.
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Any one tried one of these yet, (Orion 3800 30c lipo) is it true that there 30c rated, or is it just a sales pitch
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Well, did you use it at Bashley?

How did it seem compared to your NiMH's?

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Old 07-02-2008, 12:46 PM   #21
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Well, did you use it at Bashley?

How did it seem compared to your NiMH's?

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Hey Skiddily
It was me that got the lipo for spence so yes I know about them

I used it both days, except once when I used the new pack of Cobras, and tbh, I found the lipo sooooooooo much more punchier and consistent than EP's, I will be getting another pack shortly, and thats all I will use from now on, got the car really well balance with them now . All I was using was 2200mah from them, and took around 25 mins to re-charge
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Not have other choice !
Orion 30C only !
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do the orion 3800 lipo packs come with the internal fuse
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Typically there is no internal fuse. You over load the pack it will pop (vaporize) one of the leads going to the little PC board.
So what does this 30 C mean. It means the pack will discharge at a 114 amp rate without destruction (3.8 x 30). Will it do it for the whole pack. Well no in my experience. They almost severely overheat at a 45 amp continuous discharge. Aircraft guys put in temperature sensors of one type or other to make sure they are not overheating packs. I use a temp gun. So how do you increase the discharge rating of a pack. Mostly you improve the material thickness of the metal that conducts current from the actual cell layers to your battery terminals. This means that there are slightly thicker metal leads (and metal film) and such inside. For car use this is going to help stock motors slightly in the same way that using 12 gauge wire on the speed control improves performance of stock motors. The chemistry of the battery can be unchaged.

The higher the mA-h of the pack the higher on the discharge voltage curve you will be. You will see a gain going from 3200 to 5000 mA-h, Maybe just a slight gain from 3200- 3800mAh. You will be running in the higher voltage portion of the discharge curve for a longer period of time. So how do you work the rules. Instead of adding 6 ounces of ballast in a TC for example I would stack another 4000 mA-h battery on top and run 8000. Hard to do with hard packs though.

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So how do you keep from killing your LiPo. First get the proper charger. In my opinion a charger that will only charge LiPo, will only charge 2 cell LiPo, and will hook up and charge a LiPo in any state of charge is a must.

Here is one that I like.
http://fmadirect.com/detail.htm?item=1925&section=32

It basically takes you out of the equation. That is what causes some charging errors. It also takes the auto cell count out of the equation that causes the rest of charger errors. Only one knob for charge rate. An Adaptor is available for the Orion without leads. It balances the cells. What else could you ask for.

Every charging error results in a fire and/or a destroyed very expensive battery. Charge in a LiPo sock.

The second way you kill your voltage and runtime is by overcharging the pack. Companies advertize 2 and 3 C charge rates. That is just fine but you are making a 100 cycle pack into a 40 cycle pack. Charge from 1 to 1.25C.

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I really like the 3800 I have ran the 3200,3600,4800 the smc 4000 but I like the 3800 the best thus far...Nexus racing....How are you guys getting the weight right to balance the chassis....I run an xray 007 eu and I want to use the PPD plate but there is no clearence wandered if anyone has removed the humps from the orion packs before or is there another manufacturer out there with a different weight system....
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I really like the 3800 I have ran the 3200,3600,4800 the smc 4000 but I like the 3800 the best thus far...Nexus racing....How are you guys getting the weight right to balance the chassis....I run an xray 007 eu and I want to use the PPD plate but there is no clearence wandered if anyone has removed the humps from the orion packs before or is there another manufacturer out there with a different weight system....
http://www.bittydesign.net/prodottiPortaLipoINGLESE.htm
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I really like the 3800 I have ran the 3200,3600,4800 the smc 4000 but I like the 3800 the best thus far...Nexus racing....How are you guys getting the weight right to balance the chassis....I run an xray 007 eu and I want to use the PPD plate but there is no clearence wandered if anyone has removed the humps from the orion packs before or is there another manufacturer out there with a different weight system....

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We have this in production now, it will be on sale on www.coolcanfan.com very soon, but if you want one, just pm me please.
The LWP is made from 1.5 stainless steel, and weighs approximately 95/100 grams, and is held in place by 2xm3 screws utilizing the 2 holes that are down the centre of the WCE, TC and 008 chassis. A number of lead weights can be adhered to the base of the plate, utilizing the cell slots, I suggest you remove the double sided tape from them, and key the surface of the weight, as well as the LWP, and degrease the surfaces before gluing them to the LWP.

The LWP will have a carbon fibre effect covering, and will have a lip on the outside edge, to help prevent the lipo from coming out of the car. Also a piece of sticky back foam, can be used on the LWP towards the left of the lipo, to help prevent the lipo from moving towards the middle of the car. A piece of foam sits just in front of the the lipo, and rests against the front bulk head, whilst the back of the lipo rests against the rear bulkhead, this will help the lipo from moving forward, so as not to unsettle the car.

The LWP kit will comprise of

1) LWP will have a carbon fibre effect covering
2) 2x3m fixing screws
3) A strip of sticky back foam
4) A foam block retainer, for front of the lipo
5) A piece of carbon fibre effect covering for the base of the Orion lipo, once the noduals have been removed, so as to tidy the base of the lipo

This LPW version, will accept Orion 3200 3600 3800 and Nosram 5300 28c

This LWP can be used on the WCE, TC, and X-ray008 as there are extra fixing holes in the LWP for each model, you just pick the holes that suit your car.

Further LWP will be available soon for all popular models.

Cheers THECANMAN
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We have this in production now, it will be on sale on www.coolcanfan.com very soon, but if you want one, just pm me please.
The LWP is made from 1.5 stainless steel, and weighs approximately 95/100 grams, and is held in place by 2xm3 screws utilizing the 2 holes that are down the centre of the WCE, TC and 008 chassis. A number of lead weights can be adhered to the base of the plate, utilizing the cell slots, I suggest you remove the double sided tape from them, and key the surface of the weight, as well as the LWP, and degrease the surfaces before gluing them to the LWP.

The LWP will have a carbon fibre effect covering, and will have a lip on the outside edge, to help prevent the lipo from coming out of the car. Also a piece of sticky back foam, can be used on the LWP towards the left of the lipo, to help prevent the lipo from moving towards the middle of the car. A piece of foam sits just in front of the the lipo, and rests against the front bulk head, whilst the back of the lipo rests against the rear bulkhead, this will help the lipo from moving forward, so as not to unsettle the car.

The LWP kit will comprise of

1) LWP will have a carbon fibre effect covering
2) 2x3m fixing screws
3) A strip of sticky back foam
4) A foam block retainer, for front of the lipo
5) A piece of carbon fibre effect covering for the base of the Orion lipo, once the noduals have been removed, so as to tidy the base of the lipo

This LPW version, will accept Orion 3200 3600 3800 and Nosram 5300 28c

This LWP can be used on the WCE, TC, and X-ray008 as there are extra fixing holes in the LWP for each model, you just pick the holes that suit your car.

Further LWP will be available soon for all popular models.

Cheers THECANMAN
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Old 11-10-2008, 12:49 AM   #30
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how soon after using a 3800 pack can i charge it again?
i have a 16X512 integy charger and the instructions say you can set the delta peak at 8mv/cell or more. how much more?

will the above charger be fine

any help would be much appreciated
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