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Old 06-16-2008, 08:40 AM   #16
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TP- I can not disagree the cars handling will be affected by its aerodynamics, hell no. Never.

But, I can also see a new guy wanting to race and not feeling he has the right car because of how his bodyshell looks Especially when spending the funds on tyres would be a better starting point.

Tyres are the only 4 things that sit between the car and the track, with the wrong ones you'll be doing donuts or swapping ends every corner.

Even with the worst possible looking or appropriate shell your tyres are still the main thing getting the car to grip. More so at lower speeds.

IDK, There are two sides to the coin. However.... They're still part of the same coin.... I'll agree to disagree?
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Try and stick with the same body for awhile. I myself used to jump body styles from one to another and it didn't help me out. Now I pretty much just stick with the regular Mazda 6 for rubber tire racing on carpet because I like how my car drives. I tried the Speed 6 but I didn't really like it all that much (I probably didn't take the time to change the car to compensate for the differences).

What TC3Team said is true about tires and such. Make sure you are using the same tires as the fast guys are or ones that work on your track. There is nothing that I hate more is seeing people get frustrated and sell their stuff.
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Old 06-16-2008, 08:43 AM   #18
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Completely agree with the tires... much more important in the overall scheme of things...

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TP- I can not disagree the cars handling will be affected by its aerodynamics, hell no. Never.

But, I can also see a new guy wanting to race and not feeling he has the right car because of how his bodyshell looks Especially when spending the funds on tyres would be a better starting point.

Tyres are the only 4 things that sit between the car and the track, with the wrong ones you'll be doing donuts or swapping ends every corner.

Even with the worst possible looking or appropriate shell your tyres are still the main thing getting the car to grip. More so at lower speeds.

IDK, There are two sides to the coin. However.... They're still part of the same coin.... I'll agree to disagree?
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Old 06-16-2008, 09:08 AM   #19
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I'm only going to weigh in because there seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the intent of the initial question.

While learning basic set-ups, and understanding how the car works and what differences in tire choices ARE the most important thing in getting a car to go around the track and makes the hobby more enjoyable for the newbie getting into the hobby and thus makes them want to stay involved....
...areodynamics, and thus getting the right (or one of the right) bodies IS the first thing that needs to be addressed. Thinking otherwise is like trying to argue that just because you're running a dumptruck body on your TC shouldn't affect things and that it's mishandling because your set-up or tuning or tires are all wrong.

I can remember WAY back in the day and the body manufacturers were always releasing some new shell, often replicating the lastest car that won LeMans, and they were horrible. Jaguars, Nissan GTPs, etc., etc., etc. and the lot of them didn't work as well as what we already had that had been tried and true. Why? They were to scale and should have worked, especially considering advanced aerodynamic testing had been done on those newer body styles - but the simple fact remained, just as holds true today, that there are only a handfull (and more likely 2 or 3) different bodies work at all and if you check the a-main results of any big race most every car has exactly the same body. This doesn't happen by accident or happenstance.

For sure you need to learn to work and wrench on your car, but just like in anything racing, you need to eliminate problems (starting at the largest quantifiable piece first) before any bit of fine tuning and adjusting will make any difference in the end result.

Don't spend a lot of time ASKING, unless you have reason to trust someone's advice, as they may send you off on a wild goose chase or looking for left0--handed money wrenches.
Spend more of your time LOOKING, see what the fast guys at your track (or in the mags) are running as use that as your baseline of knowledge.
And then when you're at least basically educated in the what's and why's you can ask an educated question, like "I see you're doing so-and-so, do you see any benefit to doing it and does it help relative to doing so-and-so?", and you'll be better off in the long run..............
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Old 06-16-2008, 09:13 AM   #20
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Mazda6 or Mazdaspeed6.....end of discussion
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Old 06-16-2008, 09:25 AM   #21
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Mazda 6, Speed 6, or DNA will all work nicely.
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Old 06-16-2008, 12:10 PM   #22
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Old 06-16-2008, 12:40 PM   #23
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From using a Mazda 6 for a season I did get to understand my car a little better, in other words the body was forgiving yet took setup changes well. This season I'm using the Parma Faskolor "M" which I feel is a neutral body similar to the Mazda.

The mention of tires is helpful but the OP didn't ask what rubber tires to use, so mentioning it is irrelevant
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Old 06-16-2008, 04:23 PM   #24
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Proto Dodge 3 for me has always had a good feel on carpet with rubber. Infact its my fav body. I do have a speed 6 but I find it quite pointy the Dodge 3 is more neutral.
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yeah speed6 is a great choice. I really like the front downforce on the DNA but its not Roar legal. Also waiting for the new rf9 body

the DNA is roar legal. at least for the next week or so at nationals.
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the DNA is roar legal. at least for the next week or so at nationals.
hmm i guess i overlooked it on the approval list
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Old 06-16-2008, 11:31 PM   #27
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well i would put it like this for racing everywhere for a newbie (stock) get a proto stratus 3 the car will not do anything special but should handle well to teach them to drive well(first step). then when your car is feeling balanced try some other bodies that people say are good if you have the money! i would personally recommend (all protoform) stratus 3 speed 6 or mazda 6! But important to start with a stratus as it will help you to learn how to setup a car! i run stock to stay on a budget and i am currently running a stratus 3 and have won the last 2 events ive been to so it cant be a crap body either!! but i am going to to start using a speed 6 when i paint one up as i think my setup is now limited by the body!!
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:29 AM   #28
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i recomend the mazda speeed 6 or the stratus
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hi, is there a specific brand (e.g protoform) for the mazda 6? or are all the same between manufacturers? thanks
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