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Old 05-21-2008, 08:41 AM   #1
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Default LRP vs. Novak Brushless

I'm looking for some educated opinions guys. A friend and I are going to switch to brushless for our 12th scales this fall and we're not sure which brushless system to go to. We're looking at the Novak GTB 4-cell. I like Novak because I've been using their equipment for 15 years and have never had a problem with them. On the other hand, I've had people tell me to use the LRP Sphere Comp controller with Novak motors because all the top drivers like the LRP. But why do they like the LRP more? Not sure what to do.
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Most people will tell you that the LRP is faster. It is a little lighter and you can tune a little with the punch settings but that's about it.

I'm still running my original two 4 cell GTB's but I have 4 LRP's to send in. For some, the Novak's are more reliable, and for others, it's the LRP.

You won't find much support from LRP on here (except the AE guys) but you will find plenty of support threads to ask questions about Novak, Speedpassion and Tekin stuff. Emailing Novak and Tekin directly usally works out pretty well also.
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Old 05-21-2008, 09:23 AM   #3
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Not to stir the pot but have you taken a look at the Tekin rs(non-pro), it looks like it's pretty well suited fro 1/12 and i'm planning on switching to Tekin from Novak for my 1/10 1/18 and 1/12 cars to get the most out of the hotwire setup. I switched from a micro gt to a b1 this winter and i love the b1 So i'm anxiously waiting on popular opinion on the new rs, the specs look great!
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Personally I think the LRP and GTB are too large for 12th, sure they fit, but you will have to balance it right. I am going to keep my gtx in the 1/12 until fall when carpet season picks up, hopefully Tekin and maybe bluewave will have the bugs sorted out for their sensored esc's and I can use one of those.
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Old 05-21-2008, 09:27 AM   #5
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Why change now, you've been using Novak for 15 years without any problem.
They're both very good products but Novak is just more reliable. I've been
using Novak for at least 20 years and no issues whatsoever. I had LRP last
Summer, and I had to send it out for service. The good thing was, they fix it at no charge. So it is all good! I just happen to like Novak Products.
I've been using Brushless/Lipo for three years now and I'm enjoying it more
and more each year.
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I would also check into a Speed Passion system. Shawn and Adam are always on R/C Tech to help.

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthread.php?t=200179
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I used to drive my Novak GTB for more than two years in my touring car now.
I drove with a 3.5R (five cell) with 9.7 or something on an outside track.
I had big issues with temperature, my car always stopped after 3 or 4 minutes. Almost all other racers drove LRP or Nosram with similar winding
but ratio of 7.2 up to 8.5 with no issues!
It's a fact that the Novak performance is not as good as the LRP.
But the price is too high. I now bought a Speedpassion and have no issues.
I'm happy with it.
One question: Does somebody know if the Speedpassion GT will fit in
the new AE 12R5??
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Any brand of speedo will fit in a 1/12 scale car. I've run every combo in every car. Not sure why people think this...
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Any brand of speedo will fit in a 1/12 scale car. I've run every combo in every car. Not sure why people think this...
I agree. I've seen just about every speed control out crammed into a 12th car. Even that ginormous Traxxas thing. They all work and like anything else some work better than others. If you have to a dremel will do wonders. That's what we did with the original GTB at first.

Pretty much all of the big names are running brushless in 12th now and you'll see even more people stuff a BL system in there now that the big races are going brushless.

For price, reliability, and customer service I still say Novak. I haven't been able to try the Tekin yet but it might be the new "gotta have". The mongoose might be the new 17.5 speedo it it ever gets out of Tekin mode and hits the streets.
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guys at our local track run them all from the speedpassion to the lrp and the tekin. And the guy who usually wins at the carpet track, eli ezrow, runs a brushed gtx in his 12th
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You won't find many fast guys (AKA mod) running brushed motors any more. Stock is an entirely different animal.

Still, the big races are going brushless stock. Don't practice with it and you'll get smoked at the big races. (Cleveland and the IIC are going BL)
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You won't find many fast guys (AKA mod) running brushed motors any more. Stock is an entirely different animal.

Still, the big races are going brushless stock. Don't practice with it and you'll get smoked at the big races. (Cleveland and the IIC are going BL)
yea brushed is ok for stock but for modified it isnt anymore it seems.
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Novak GTB has a pretty big foot print in my opinion, its what i use in my 1/10 sedan. My room mate has an LRP esc has has a much smaller foot print and might fit 1/12th scale more easily. GTB will fit, but the LRP just has a smaller foot print. Either one will get the job done though.
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Sure you can shoe horn just about any ESC into a 1/12th but what you use will determine how much chassis tuning you can do and which bodies you can use. The bigger/taller units you'll need a taller body like the Speed 8. The GTB is nice because you can fit lower bodies over it like the Speed 12 but it will restrict some of your tuning ability in that in most cars it will take up space you would normally use to move your battery around for tuning.

I went with the Tekin RS because of the size issue. It is much smaller then either the Novak or the LRP and works great! Pretty much all the bugs had to do with it's predecessor the R1 which was a sensorless ESC. Releasing the sensored version, the RS, takes care of the issues the R1 had.
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