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Old 10-23-2008, 10:06 PM   #76
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There's always a "stock" 1/12th class, will most likey be a 17.5 class.

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Old 10-28-2008, 07:29 PM   #77
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I see entries start mid November...when is the entry dead line going to be?
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Old 10-28-2008, 07:40 PM   #78
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i want that 12th scale smc single cell lipo exibition class.
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Old 10-28-2008, 08:37 PM   #79
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Hello.. we usually don't sell out until after the 1st of the year, and keep everyone updated with classes and what is open. Entry form will be out in mid-November...

We updated our weekly news today. Great to have John, Pam, and JB back and supporting the race with FastLaps again!!

http://www.snowbirdnationals.com/2009news.htm
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Old 10-30-2008, 06:15 PM   #80
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It's probably too late for this year, but I wanted to express a concern. Snowbirds is supposed to be the biggest indoor carpet race with the best drivers in the world. I would like to see all of the best drivers end up where they should be. The best way for this to happen is:
  • Using knowledge of driver skill levels to set up the initial heats.
  • Providing as many heats as possible.
  • Watching practice lap times.
  • Watching heat lap times.
I know that the first 2 items are used at Snowbirds. The organizers use their knowledge of the racers from past experience to get them roughly organized in the right starting heats. The computer resorts the racers after the heats.

But to my knowledge, the last two options aren't used. Last year for example, I know of a couple of racers who were on a TQ pace, but got taken out by less skilled drivers. Of course , it's one thing to be able to drive in traffic, but it's another thing when there is nothing you can do about it. No matter how good you are, there are situations where the less skilled drivers can take you out (in many various ways). You know what I mean.

Concerning the heat resorting, I would like to see the race directors bump up racers when it's clearly obvious that a racer's skill level is higher than the heat they are in. One of the easiest ways to see this on paper is the racer's average top 10 laps. This can easily be looked at for practice and the heats. I hope in the future that this can be incorporated into the resorting.

People travel, take time off of work, and spend a lot of money to race at Snowbirds. I'd like to see all racers rewarded with a result that they deserve. I'd love to see another round of qualifying heats. I think the organizers should be careful with the amount of time spent on minority specialty classes and races that take away from the majority racer's track time and qualifying rounds.
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Those are some very good ideas. It would be cool if it could be done.
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:51 AM   #82
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Any speculation on what the T/A rules are going to be? I'm seriously thinking about running that class.
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Any speculation on what the T/A rules are going to be? I'm seriously thinking about running that class.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:50 AM   #84
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James35 - thanks for the time to address some great ideas and thoughts.
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How far do we go to get the best drivers in the top mains? There is a term..."that's racing". If we do 50 things to make sure the "top drivers" are in the top mains is that really fair for the guy who is on the brink of breaking into the elite "top drivers" but gets booted out into a lower main because driver X is "on paper" a better driver but didn't finish because of problem Y? I've never been to Snowbirds but I'm sure it's like most races I've been to where they do what they can to get the best drivers placed where they should be for heats. After the race starts the driver is on their own to place where they can with the situation (heat #) they are given. Not everybody performs their best 100% of the time. If a top driver doesn't make the A main it may be due to a bad weekend or some other thing. Doesn't mean they deserve to be bumped up because they could have made x number of laps 2 seconds faster then the other guy.
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I don't think that continuously bumping the top drivers up from the bottom is what was in mind, or prudent for that matter. It is also a tough job to go out and find information on the drivers that register ahead of time with the purpose of pre-seeding the heats. It wouldn't be fair to the uber wheel that is largely unknown that is making their trip to the birds for the first time.

IF anything special is done, pre-seeding the known (say from past Birds races) then the rest in the big pile. Maybe for sorting for the quals they take your best 10 lap average to seed people from the controlled practices. This would help average the starting positions for the quals. After that ordinary re-sort schedules apply. So, if you biff your quals before the resort, you get resorted to the bottom and have to work out of a hole.
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We updated our weekly news today. Great to have John, Pam, and JB back and supporting the race with FastLaps again!!

http://www.snowbirdnationals.com/2009news.htm
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Yeah, I saw that. But it gives 3 possibilities for motors and two options for batteries. All at the discretion of the hosting track or league. Just wondering what is going to be used at this particular race.
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Old 10-31-2008, 03:28 PM   #89
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I'm wanting to run 1/12th stock and 1/12th 19T classes and was wondering...will these be hand out classes? If so will the handouts be brushed or BL? If not will they be a combined brushed and BL classes?

There is a poll on the website about if we would run a hand out class...but given today's motor choices I couldn't just give a yes or no answer as it would depend on what the handout motor was and what the cost of the class would be. I would run a brushed handout class as those can be an inexpensive class. But I would be unlikely to run a BL handout class as the entry fee would be pretty high for a motor I probably will not run again.
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Pre-seeding doesn't always work,either.My first 'birds was 2007,and I only ran 1/12 scale. 2008,I ran 3 classes,and was stuck in the "all mixer enduro" heat of 1/10 stock. My car was on its roof more than it was on its wheels,from all the windshield wipers out there. Got resorted to a "better" heat,and was on a pace to make the A,only to be held up by lap trash.It's a tough hole to dig out of,no matter how good you are.
It was very frustrating.I'm not complaining,though.I'll be back this year,hoping to have a better results.
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