Tekin RS ESC sensored
05-08-2010, 06:18 PM
here is my setup from titc this year also using a spv3 with timing locked on 8
timing 45
turbo 15-17
start 4xxx
end 10000
.3 delay
fdr around 6
hope it help
you might want to try a a lower rpm range as it look like a tighter infield
remember temp is key when trying new setups
timing 45
turbo 15-17
start 4xxx
end 10000
.3 delay
fdr around 6
hope it help
you might want to try a a lower rpm range as it look like a tighter infield
remember temp is key when trying new setups
05-08-2010, 08:00 PM
Still not entirely understanding all the settings and such.
Next weekend gonna be racing on a track 250x100. http://www.kissrcraceway.com/
Gonna be running an Epic Duo 2, 5000mah 50C 2s lipo. Im estimating a FDR of 6.3 or more(up from a 6.7 i run at a local parking lot track). Any experienced tekin guys willing to help out on a setup to run for the RS? I would appreciate it greatly. At least that can give me a reference point.
Next weekend gonna be racing on a track 250x100. http://www.kissrcraceway.com/
Gonna be running an Epic Duo 2, 5000mah 50C 2s lipo. Im estimating a FDR of 6.3 or more(up from a 6.7 i run at a local parking lot track). Any experienced tekin guys willing to help out on a setup to run for the RS? I would appreciate it greatly. At least that can give me a reference point.
05-09-2010, 03:30 AM
Tech Regular
B.t.w. I do not drive dual mode, it's to slow, must reach speeds of 100km/h.
05-09-2010, 04:28 AM
which duo 2
Still not entirely understanding all the settings and such.
Next weekend gonna be racing on a track 250x100. http://www.kissrcraceway.com/
Gonna be running an Epic Duo 2, 5000mah 50C 2s lipo. Im estimating a FDR of 6.3 or more(up from a 6.7 i run at a local parking lot track). Any experienced tekin guys willing to help out on a setup to run for the RS? I would appreciate it greatly. At least that can give me a reference point.
Next weekend gonna be racing on a track 250x100. http://www.kissrcraceway.com/
Gonna be running an Epic Duo 2, 5000mah 50C 2s lipo. Im estimating a FDR of 6.3 or more(up from a 6.7 i run at a local parking lot track). Any experienced tekin guys willing to help out on a setup to run for the RS? I would appreciate it greatly. At least that can give me a reference point.
05-09-2010, 12:27 PM
13.5 epic duo 2. Its the blue can.
05-09-2010, 02:15 PM
If it's an electric race at Kissimmee the layout they use will not be 250x100.
05-09-2010, 03:14 PM
Its electric and nitro. So im assuming the track will be little smaller. But at least I have something to go on. 
any help would be greatly appreciated
any help would be greatly appreciated
05-09-2010, 05:30 PM
i would start with a setting close to above with timing on a can 3 dots from max geared 6-7
but i would start with rmp range with 4xxx to 12000 and a .4 delay
always remember temp is key. so when trying a new setup run for 2 mins and then temp if you are below 50c run for another 3 mins and if temps are below 70c i will then allow the motor to cool and run for 5mins and then temp again
then you can start to fine tune. looking at your infield speed and punch and were your turbo is kicking in
if you dont have enough punch you can lower the end rpm or raise it if its to agressive or try a lower fdr
also look at were the turbo is kicking on the straight. If its kicking to late droop a tooth or two one the pinion or lower the delay
But as mentioned above temp is key when trying any new changes to your setup
Best of luck
but i would start with rmp range with 4xxx to 12000 and a .4 delay
always remember temp is key. so when trying a new setup run for 2 mins and then temp if you are below 50c run for another 3 mins and if temps are below 70c i will then allow the motor to cool and run for 5mins and then temp again
then you can start to fine tune. looking at your infield speed and punch and were your turbo is kicking in
if you dont have enough punch you can lower the end rpm or raise it if its to agressive or try a lower fdr
also look at were the turbo is kicking on the straight. If its kicking to late droop a tooth or two one the pinion or lower the delay
But as mentioned above temp is key when trying any new changes to your setup
Best of luck
05-09-2010, 05:59 PM
Tech Master
I had some interesting results on the weekend.
I'm running a 13.5 touring class on a very large asphalt track. Using Tekin RS and Redline.
I was running my FDR down near 4.5 as there is a monster back straight, and a fairly large sweeper through the middle. Others ran even lower than that.
After talking to one of the fastest guys, I upped my FDR to a whopping 6.0. Didn't change anything else as I didn't have my laptop.
Lap times were exactly the same, consistency was down to 1 second between 3 races (that is fantastic for me, it's usually 10 seconds variance between races), and motor temps were down from about 55ºC to 45ºC.
I lost a bit of top speed, and it went a bit flat prior to the turbo kicking in, so that is an easy fix, as I have a cool motor, and not a lot of timing yet.
Just goes to show, when you get the motor into that power-range of RPM, the gains are massive.
I'm running a 13.5 touring class on a very large asphalt track. Using Tekin RS and Redline.
I was running my FDR down near 4.5 as there is a monster back straight, and a fairly large sweeper through the middle. Others ran even lower than that.
After talking to one of the fastest guys, I upped my FDR to a whopping 6.0. Didn't change anything else as I didn't have my laptop.
Lap times were exactly the same, consistency was down to 1 second between 3 races (that is fantastic for me, it's usually 10 seconds variance between races), and motor temps were down from about 55ºC to 45ºC.
I lost a bit of top speed, and it went a bit flat prior to the turbo kicking in, so that is an easy fix, as I have a cool motor, and not a lot of timing yet.
Just goes to show, when you get the motor into that power-range of RPM, the gains are massive.
05-09-2010, 06:06 PM
So lowering the end rpm increase acceleration? What does the beginning rpm do?
delay basically delays when the turbo kicks in from where (max rpm or what)?
still confused what the turbo ramp is.
I think im going to run a throttle profile at 4.
also what is the turbo timing and push control?
Well I appreciate the help Senna. Gives me an idea where to start.
delay basically delays when the turbo kicks in from where (max rpm or what)?
still confused what the turbo ramp is.
I think im going to run a throttle profile at 4.
also what is the turbo timing and push control?
Well I appreciate the help Senna.
Gives me an idea where to start.
05-09-2010, 06:20 PM
Motor Timing: Launch
Motor timing is an absolute. It’s effective throughout the entire range of the cars speed. This is the adjustment that should be made for the first few feet of car travel.
Timing Boost: Acceleration
The ideal start/end rpm for boost will depend on the platform/chassis being used along with track size and motor wind. The size of the range will also affect how the car pulls. A narrow rpm range will effectively produce a faster rate of boost vs. a wide range will have a slower rate of boost:
1000rpm start / 6000 end with 50 timing boost will provide 10 degrees of boost per 1000 rpm vs.
1000rpm start / 11000 end with 50 timing boost will provide 5 degrees of boost per 1000 rpm.
Spec Motors:
So far pan cars are using between 1,000 and 7,000 on most tracks. This is due to not having a gearbox and being direct drive.
TC’s are showing a useable range of 2,000 to 13,000 on most tracks. This is due to having a reduction gear box.
Turbo Timing: Top speed
Turbo Delay: This is the time that must expire at wide open throttle to engage turbo. This is NOT dependant on RPM’s in any way. Ideally this should be NO lower than .2 and in all likelyhood will be set at .4 or more. Tracks that have straights less than 80ft will likely NOT need turbo.
Turbo Ramp Rate: This is the literal ramp rate of whatever your turbo timing is set. So:
A turbo setting of 20 will give you the following reaction:
1.0 Ramp rate = 20 degrees in 1 second applied
2.0 Ramp rate = 20 degrees in .5 seconds applied
3.0 Ramp rate = 20 degrees in .30 seconds applied
So if you run timing it will just change the total applied, not the speed at which it’s applied.
Motor timing is an absolute. It’s effective throughout the entire range of the cars speed. This is the adjustment that should be made for the first few feet of car travel.
Timing Boost: Acceleration
The ideal start/end rpm for boost will depend on the platform/chassis being used along with track size and motor wind. The size of the range will also affect how the car pulls. A narrow rpm range will effectively produce a faster rate of boost vs. a wide range will have a slower rate of boost:
1000rpm start / 6000 end with 50 timing boost will provide 10 degrees of boost per 1000 rpm vs.
1000rpm start / 11000 end with 50 timing boost will provide 5 degrees of boost per 1000 rpm.
Spec Motors:
So far pan cars are using between 1,000 and 7,000 on most tracks. This is due to not having a gearbox and being direct drive.
TC’s are showing a useable range of 2,000 to 13,000 on most tracks. This is due to having a reduction gear box.
Turbo Timing: Top speed
Turbo Delay: This is the time that must expire at wide open throttle to engage turbo. This is NOT dependant on RPM’s in any way. Ideally this should be NO lower than .2 and in all likelyhood will be set at .4 or more. Tracks that have straights less than 80ft will likely NOT need turbo.
Turbo Ramp Rate: This is the literal ramp rate of whatever your turbo timing is set. So:
A turbo setting of 20 will give you the following reaction:
1.0 Ramp rate = 20 degrees in 1 second applied
2.0 Ramp rate = 20 degrees in .5 seconds applied
3.0 Ramp rate = 20 degrees in .30 seconds applied
So if you run timing it will just change the total applied, not the speed at which it’s applied.
That should answer most of your questions. If anything else is still un clear, speak up.
The only thing not mentioned is push control. Push control is the amount of throttle applied when in the neutral position.
05-09-2010, 06:33 PM
Wow thanks! that helped a bit for a few things. Still not understanding tubo ramp.
When it says rate of boost, does that mean like how long the turbo is on till it reaches the max? So say on shorter tracks, you have the rpm range so the turbo gets to full much quicker and want it in a quick boost. Where on an open track, you want the turbo to last the whole straight? Just an application question.
Also how would i determine a starting rpm to set it at and whether i should increase both beginning and end rpm or lower it? so say from 12000 end to 13000 end and 2000 beginning to 3000 beginning.
When it says rate of boost, does that mean like how long the turbo is on till it reaches the max? So say on shorter tracks, you have the rpm range so the turbo gets to full much quicker and want it in a quick boost. Where on an open track, you want the turbo to last the whole straight? Just an application question.
Also how would i determine a starting rpm to set it at and whether i should increase both beginning and end rpm or lower it? so say from 12000 end to 13000 end and 2000 beginning to 3000 beginning.
05-09-2010, 06:39 PM
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Last edited by 20 SMOKE; 05-09-2010 at 07:03 PM.
05-09-2010, 06:59 PM
TQ and Won
Hi guys,
Just TQ and Won a Local HPI Open with my Tekin RSpro so think i'll share a bit of my setup.
Motor : SpeedPassion 11.5T V3
Track : Asphat Mid Traction Outdoors
Tires : Solaris Hard (Close Tires)
Ambi Temp: 34°C Track Temp : 43°C
Timing Boost : 40
Turbo Boost : Max
RPM Start : 7000++
RPM End : 18000
Ramp : 3
Delay : 0.2s
Brake : 90
Drag : 0
Just TQ and Won a Local HPI Open with my Tekin RSpro so think i'll share a bit of my setup.
Motor : SpeedPassion 11.5T V3
Track : Asphat Mid Traction Outdoors
Tires : Solaris Hard (Close Tires)
Ambi Temp: 34°C Track Temp : 43°C
Timing Boost : 40
Turbo Boost : Max
RPM Start : 7000++
RPM End : 18000
Ramp : 3
Delay : 0.2s
Brake : 90
Drag : 0
05-09-2010, 07:11 PM
Ramp rate is the amount of deg. of timing applied in .1 of a sec.
till the total desired turbo advance is reached
ramp 1 = 2deg of timing every .1 sec
ramp 2 = 4deg every .1 sec
ramp 3 = 6 deg every .1 sec
And has nothing to to with timing advance as they can over lap
So if you have your timing boost set at 45 and your can set at 8 deg
with a start point of 4xxx and end point at 12000
so you will have a total of 53deg of timing when you reach 12000 rmp
the esc will start adding timing between this ranges
is if you shorten the range it will be more agressive
if to short it will bog down
and the turbo will then be added on top of it once you have pulled full throttle
and the desired delay has passed
so if you have you add 10 turbo at ramp2 you will add 4deg every .1 of sec
or reach your full or full 10 at .25 sec
hope that this helps
till the total desired turbo advance is reached
ramp 1 = 2deg of timing every .1 sec
ramp 2 = 4deg every .1 sec
ramp 3 = 6 deg every .1 sec
And has nothing to to with timing advance as they can over lap
So if you have your timing boost set at 45 and your can set at 8 deg
with a start point of 4xxx and end point at 12000
so you will have a total of 53deg of timing when you reach 12000 rmp
the esc will start adding timing between this ranges
is if you shorten the range it will be more agressive
if to short it will bog down
and the turbo will then be added on top of it once you have pulled full throttle
and the desired delay has passed
so if you have you add 10 turbo at ramp2 you will add 4deg every .1 of sec
or reach your full or full 10 at .25 sec
hope that this helps
Last edited by Senna Racing; 05-09-2010 at 08:07 PM.