Tekin RS ESC sensored
11-18-2009, 09:56 AM
#8191
/Rant on
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm not a fan of this ESC at all. I feel it unbalances stock and makes racers upgrade their equipment (perceived or otherwise). Stock is stock, the RS gives has a clear advantage over other ESCs, more of an advantage than ever before based on my experience.
I've already seen stock impacted because of the use fom this ESC, numbers dropping cause folks don't want to go spend money to replace an ESC that should be competitve. Again, remember when we were sold that brushless would equalize the motor advantage in the brushed racing world. Alas, the focus has now shifted to ESC which makes racing no longer equal...what a shame. To me, winning cause of an unfair advantage isn't winning at all...
Rant off/
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm not a fan of this ESC at all. I feel it unbalances stock and makes racers upgrade their equipment (perceived or otherwise). Stock is stock, the RS gives has a clear advantage over other ESCs, more of an advantage than ever before based on my experience.
I've already seen stock impacted because of the use fom this ESC, numbers dropping cause folks don't want to go spend money to replace an ESC that should be competitve. Again, remember when we were sold that brushless would equalize the motor advantage in the brushed racing world. Alas, the focus has now shifted to ESC which makes racing no longer equal...what a shame. To me, winning cause of an unfair advantage isn't winning at all...
Rant off/
11-18-2009, 10:28 AM
#8193
/Rant on
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm not a fan of this ESC at all. I feel it unbalances stock and makes racers upgrade their equipment (perceived or otherwise). Stock is stock, the RS gives has a clear advantage over other ESCs, more of an advantage than ever before based on my experience.
I've already seen stock impacted because of the use fom this ESC, numbers dropping cause folks don't want to go spend money to replace an ESC that should be competitve. Again, remember when we were sold that brushless would equalize the motor advantage in the brushed racing world. Alas, the focus has now shifted to ESC which makes racing no longer equal...what a shame. To me, winning cause of an unfair advantage isn't winning at all...
Rant off/
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm not a fan of this ESC at all. I feel it unbalances stock and makes racers upgrade their equipment (perceived or otherwise). Stock is stock, the RS gives has a clear advantage over other ESCs, more of an advantage than ever before based on my experience.
I've already seen stock impacted because of the use fom this ESC, numbers dropping cause folks don't want to go spend money to replace an ESC that should be competitve. Again, remember when we were sold that brushless would equalize the motor advantage in the brushed racing world. Alas, the focus has now shifted to ESC which makes racing no longer equal...what a shame. To me, winning cause of an unfair advantage isn't winning at all...
Rant off/
11-18-2009, 10:45 AM
#8194
whats up guys.....sorry guys to lazy to go back in the pages to see the diff.... whats the diff from rs and the pro rs? plan on getting one to run 13.5 class? thanks for ur help.....
Last edited by sgvrcboy; 11-18-2009 at 11:09 AM.
11-18-2009, 11:17 AM
#8195
pro has double the amount fets rs got... 2 boards on top of each other....
And half of the resistance...
handles lower turns motors better
And half of the resistance...
handles lower turns motors better
11-18-2009, 11:23 AM
#8196
Tech Fanatic
/Rant on
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm not a fan of this ESC at all. I feel it unbalances stock and makes racers upgrade their equipment (perceived or otherwise). Stock is stock, the RS gives has a clear advantage over other ESCs, more of an advantage than ever before based on my experience.
I've already seen stock impacted because of the use fom this ESC, numbers dropping cause folks don't want to go spend money to replace an ESC that should be competitve. Again, remember when we were sold that brushless would equalize the motor advantage in the brushed racing world. Alas, the focus has now shifted to ESC which makes racing no longer equal...what a shame. To me, winning cause of an unfair advantage isn't winning at all...
Rant off/
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm not a fan of this ESC at all. I feel it unbalances stock and makes racers upgrade their equipment (perceived or otherwise). Stock is stock, the RS gives has a clear advantage over other ESCs, more of an advantage than ever before based on my experience.
I've already seen stock impacted because of the use fom this ESC, numbers dropping cause folks don't want to go spend money to replace an ESC that should be competitve. Again, remember when we were sold that brushless would equalize the motor advantage in the brushed racing world. Alas, the focus has now shifted to ESC which makes racing no longer equal...what a shame. To me, winning cause of an unfair advantage isn't winning at all...
Rant off/
However, I would point out that the Tekin RS is one of the least expensive speedos, that each of its software updates have been free, and that each of its software updates have been competitive. Compare this to the others, where you'd really be getting the 'blues' if you'd now bought your fourth completely new speedo in two years in order to get the latest software.
Tekin RS is a very good speedo - it would sell well on that alone. That it can be updated for free, and remain competitive, is another good reason to buy one - no wonder it is sold out everywhere! I appreciate your point of view, Greg, but ranting against the Tekin isn't logical, as it is likely to last several seasons. There are other threads for other speedos where your rant would be more appropriate in getting costs reduced.
Oh, and as for winning in motor racing being down to an unfair advantage - no one takes any more or less advantage than the Rules allow, and that's never going to change. Just a thought...
11-18-2009, 11:39 AM
#8197
/Rant on
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm not a fan of this ESC at all. I feel it unbalances stock and makes racers upgrade their equipment (perceived or otherwise). Stock is stock, the RS gives has a clear advantage over other ESCs, more of an advantage than ever before based on my experience.
I've already seen stock impacted because of the use fom this ESC, numbers dropping cause folks don't want to go spend money to replace an ESC that should be competitve. Again, remember when we were sold that brushless would equalize the motor advantage in the brushed racing world. Alas, the focus has now shifted to ESC which makes racing no longer equal...what a shame. To me, winning cause of an unfair advantage isn't winning at all...
Rant off/
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm not a fan of this ESC at all. I feel it unbalances stock and makes racers upgrade their equipment (perceived or otherwise). Stock is stock, the RS gives has a clear advantage over other ESCs, more of an advantage than ever before based on my experience.
I've already seen stock impacted because of the use fom this ESC, numbers dropping cause folks don't want to go spend money to replace an ESC that should be competitve. Again, remember when we were sold that brushless would equalize the motor advantage in the brushed racing world. Alas, the focus has now shifted to ESC which makes racing no longer equal...what a shame. To me, winning cause of an unfair advantage isn't winning at all...
Rant off/
lrp spx
mamba max pro
team wave rb50
crc
novak kinetic
GM
atleast with the tekin people will only have to buy once and get the updates for free. Is it an unfair advantage when all the new esc's have timing advancements?
So just like when people made the switch to brushless they are going to have to make a shift again to keep with the advancements in technology,hopfully they'll pick one that can be updated so they dont have to buy a new one to keep up with the tech. if that never happend we'd still be running sanyo 1200sc nicds and mechanical speed controls
11-18-2009, 11:40 AM
#8198
/Rant on
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm not a fan of this ESC at all. I feel it unbalances stock and makes racers upgrade their equipment (perceived or otherwise). Stock is stock, the RS gives has a clear advantage over other ESCs, more of an advantage than ever before based on my experience.
I've already seen stock impacted because of the use fom this ESC, numbers dropping cause folks don't want to go spend money to replace an ESC that should be competitve. Again, remember when we were sold that brushless would equalize the motor advantage in the brushed racing world. Alas, the focus has now shifted to ESC which makes racing no longer equal...what a shame. To me, winning cause of an unfair advantage isn't winning at all...
Rant off/
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm not a fan of this ESC at all. I feel it unbalances stock and makes racers upgrade their equipment (perceived or otherwise). Stock is stock, the RS gives has a clear advantage over other ESCs, more of an advantage than ever before based on my experience.
I've already seen stock impacted because of the use fom this ESC, numbers dropping cause folks don't want to go spend money to replace an ESC that should be competitve. Again, remember when we were sold that brushless would equalize the motor advantage in the brushed racing world. Alas, the focus has now shifted to ESC which makes racing no longer equal...what a shame. To me, winning cause of an unfair advantage isn't winning at all...
Rant off/
Unless someone is cheating...I don't think there is such a thing as an unfair advantage...it's just an advantage.
11-18-2009, 12:00 PM
#8199
/Rant on
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm not a fan of this ESC at all. I feel it unbalances stock and makes racers upgrade their equipment (perceived or otherwise). Stock is stock, the RS gives has a clear advantage over other ESCs, more of an advantage than ever before based on my experience.
I've already seen stock impacted because of the use fom this ESC, numbers dropping cause folks don't want to go spend money to replace an ESC that should be competitve. Again, remember when we were sold that brushless would equalize the motor advantage in the brushed racing world. Alas, the focus has now shifted to ESC which makes racing no longer equal...what a shame. To me, winning cause of an unfair advantage isn't winning at all...
Rant off/
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'm not a fan of this ESC at all. I feel it unbalances stock and makes racers upgrade their equipment (perceived or otherwise). Stock is stock, the RS gives has a clear advantage over other ESCs, more of an advantage than ever before based on my experience.
I've already seen stock impacted because of the use fom this ESC, numbers dropping cause folks don't want to go spend money to replace an ESC that should be competitve. Again, remember when we were sold that brushless would equalize the motor advantage in the brushed racing world. Alas, the focus has now shifted to ESC which makes racing no longer equal...what a shame. To me, winning cause of an unfair advantage isn't winning at all...
Rant off/
some ppl might feel intimidated cause fast guy(tekin users) have lap top on hes pitable and blame that, but after all we spent same amount money and time try to adjust same thing on our ESC, but we go faster because we spent our money in smart way by buying a Tekin RS.
that's my 0.02
11-18-2009, 01:17 PM
#8201
You know what, you guys are right. We should go back to brushed because there wasn't any work or "black magic" that went into a "tuned" "stock" motor. Zapping magnets, balancing arms, new brushes (every run in mod 12th), Countless hours tuning on the dyno cutting (ruining mostly) 30 pair of brushes to find that extra couple of watts. Yeah, I'd be glad to drag out the old Twister lathe and all the extra weight to haul around.
Yeah, lets go back to the days when you had to have 3 or so handout motors to find one good one at Cleveland (motors that weren't used after the race). Yeah, that was cheap. Lets go back to the days when they checked all of the handout motors in order to catch the guys cranking comms. Lets go back to the days of ruining the TV in your hotel room zapping magnets. Lets go back to the days of cutting the comm down to nothing because you were running on a big track. Oh, and my personal fave, lets go back to the days of cutting brushes so that I can cut my throttle finger up on the first practice day of a big race. I really liked cutting brushes all the time.
Yeah, running brushless is so much more complicated and harder to tech. The free updates that we get from Tekin are so much more expensive than the brushes we wasted trying to find that magic shape. Oiling the bearings in a BL motor every couple of months is so much harder than cutting the comm and rebreaking-in the brushes every 1 to 5 runs or so.
And if we are going to go back to brushless I want to go all the way back to ROAR 91's. You remember the old motors like the Parma wet mag motors with stand-up brushes. Yeah, those were the bomb.
Yeah, lets go back to the days when you had to have 3 or so handout motors to find one good one at Cleveland (motors that weren't used after the race). Yeah, that was cheap. Lets go back to the days when they checked all of the handout motors in order to catch the guys cranking comms. Lets go back to the days of ruining the TV in your hotel room zapping magnets. Lets go back to the days of cutting the comm down to nothing because you were running on a big track. Oh, and my personal fave, lets go back to the days of cutting brushes so that I can cut my throttle finger up on the first practice day of a big race. I really liked cutting brushes all the time.
Yeah, running brushless is so much more complicated and harder to tech. The free updates that we get from Tekin are so much more expensive than the brushes we wasted trying to find that magic shape. Oiling the bearings in a BL motor every couple of months is so much harder than cutting the comm and rebreaking-in the brushes every 1 to 5 runs or so.
And if we are going to go back to brushless I want to go all the way back to ROAR 91's. You remember the old motors like the Parma wet mag motors with stand-up brushes. Yeah, those were the bomb.
11-18-2009, 01:34 PM
#8202
You know what, you guys are right. We should go back to brushed because there wasn't any work or "black magic" that went into a "tuned" "stock" motor. Zapping magnets, balancing arms, new brushes (every run in mod 12th), Countless hours tuning on the dyno cutting (ruining mostly) 30 pair of brushes to find that extra couple of watts. Yeah, I'd be glad to drag out the old Twister lathe and all the extra weight to haul around.
Yeah, lets go back to the days when you had to have 3 or so handout motors to find one good one at Cleveland (motors that weren't used after the race). Yeah, that was cheap. Lets go back to the days when they checked all of the handout motors in order to catch the guys cranking comms. Lets go back to the days of ruining the TV in your hotel room zapping magnets. Lets go back to the days of cutting the comm down to nothing because you were running on a big track. Oh, and my personal fave, lets go back to the days of cutting brushes so that I can cut my throttle finger up on the first practice day of a big race. I really liked cutting brushes all the time.
Yeah, running brushless is so much more complicated and harder to tech. The free updates that we get from Tekin are so much more expensive than the brushes we wasted trying to find that magic shape. Oiling the bearings in a BL motor every couple of months is so much harder than cutting the comm and rebreaking-in the brushes every 1 to 5 runs or so.
And if we are going to go back to brushless I want to go all the way back to ROAR 91's. You remember the old motors like the Parma wet mag motors with stand-up brushes. Yeah, those were the bomb.
Yeah, lets go back to the days when you had to have 3 or so handout motors to find one good one at Cleveland (motors that weren't used after the race). Yeah, that was cheap. Lets go back to the days when they checked all of the handout motors in order to catch the guys cranking comms. Lets go back to the days of ruining the TV in your hotel room zapping magnets. Lets go back to the days of cutting the comm down to nothing because you were running on a big track. Oh, and my personal fave, lets go back to the days of cutting brushes so that I can cut my throttle finger up on the first practice day of a big race. I really liked cutting brushes all the time.
Yeah, running brushless is so much more complicated and harder to tech. The free updates that we get from Tekin are so much more expensive than the brushes we wasted trying to find that magic shape. Oiling the bearings in a BL motor every couple of months is so much harder than cutting the comm and rebreaking-in the brushes every 1 to 5 runs or so.
And if we are going to go back to brushless I want to go all the way back to ROAR 91's. You remember the old motors like the Parma wet mag motors with stand-up brushes. Yeah, those were the bomb.
11-18-2009, 01:35 PM
#8203
You know what, you guys are right. We should go back to brushed because there wasn't any work or "black magic" that went into a "tuned" "stock" motor. Zapping magnets, balancing arms, new brushes (every run in mod 12th), Countless hours tuning on the dyno cutting (ruining mostly) 30 pair of brushes to find that extra couple of watts. Yeah, I'd be glad to drag out the old Twister lathe and all the extra weight to haul around.
Yeah, lets go back to the days when you had to have 3 or so handout motors to find one good one at Cleveland (motors that weren't used after the race). Yeah, that was cheap. Lets go back to the days when they checked all of the handout motors in order to catch the guys cranking comms. Lets go back to the days of ruining the TV in your hotel room zapping magnets. Lets go back to the days of cutting the comm down to nothing because you were running on a big track. Oh, and my personal fave, lets go back to the days of cutting brushes so that I can cut my throttle finger up on the first practice day of a big race. I really liked cutting brushes all the time.
Yeah, running brushless is so much more complicated and harder to tech. The free updates that we get from Tekin are so much more expensive than the brushes we wasted trying to find that magic shape. Oiling the bearings in a BL motor every couple of months is so much harder than cutting the comm and rebreaking-in the brushes every 1 to 5 runs or so.
And if we are going to go back to brushless I want to go all the way back to ROAR 91's. You remember the old motors like the Parma wet mag motors with stand-up brushes. Yeah, those were the bomb.
Yeah, lets go back to the days when you had to have 3 or so handout motors to find one good one at Cleveland (motors that weren't used after the race). Yeah, that was cheap. Lets go back to the days when they checked all of the handout motors in order to catch the guys cranking comms. Lets go back to the days of ruining the TV in your hotel room zapping magnets. Lets go back to the days of cutting the comm down to nothing because you were running on a big track. Oh, and my personal fave, lets go back to the days of cutting brushes so that I can cut my throttle finger up on the first practice day of a big race. I really liked cutting brushes all the time.
Yeah, running brushless is so much more complicated and harder to tech. The free updates that we get from Tekin are so much more expensive than the brushes we wasted trying to find that magic shape. Oiling the bearings in a BL motor every couple of months is so much harder than cutting the comm and rebreaking-in the brushes every 1 to 5 runs or so.
And if we are going to go back to brushless I want to go all the way back to ROAR 91's. You remember the old motors like the Parma wet mag motors with stand-up brushes. Yeah, those were the bomb.
11-18-2009, 01:35 PM
#8204
I am getting back into racing because of the bl motors and lipo's it just seemed like so much work before,always soldering,charging,discharging,cutting comms.
11-18-2009, 01:38 PM
#8205
You know what, you guys are right. We should go back to brushed because there wasn't any work or "black magic" that went into a "tuned" "stock" motor. Zapping magnets, balancing arms, new brushes (every run in mod 12th), Countless hours tuning on the dyno cutting (ruining mostly) 30 pair of brushes to find that extra couple of watts. Yeah, I'd be glad to drag out the old Twister lathe and all the extra weight to haul around.
Yeah, lets go back to the days when you had to have 3 or so handout motors to find one good one at Cleveland (motors that weren't used after the race). Yeah, that was cheap. Lets go back to the days when they checked all of the handout motors in order to catch the guys cranking comms. Lets go back to the days of ruining the TV in your hotel room zapping magnets. Lets go back to the days of cutting the comm down to nothing because you were running on a big track. Oh, and my personal fave, lets go back to the days of cutting brushes so that I can cut my throttle finger up on the first practice day of a big race. I really liked cutting brushes all the time.
Yeah, running brushless is so much more complicated and harder to tech. The free updates that we get from Tekin are so much more expensive than the brushes we wasted trying to find that magic shape. Oiling the bearings in a BL motor every couple of months is so much harder than cutting the comm and rebreaking-in the brushes every 1 to 5 runs or so.
And if we are going to go back to brushless I want to go all the way back to ROAR 91's. You remember the old motors like the Parma wet mag motors with stand-up brushes. Yeah, those were the bomb.
Yeah, lets go back to the days when you had to have 3 or so handout motors to find one good one at Cleveland (motors that weren't used after the race). Yeah, that was cheap. Lets go back to the days when they checked all of the handout motors in order to catch the guys cranking comms. Lets go back to the days of ruining the TV in your hotel room zapping magnets. Lets go back to the days of cutting the comm down to nothing because you were running on a big track. Oh, and my personal fave, lets go back to the days of cutting brushes so that I can cut my throttle finger up on the first practice day of a big race. I really liked cutting brushes all the time.
Yeah, running brushless is so much more complicated and harder to tech. The free updates that we get from Tekin are so much more expensive than the brushes we wasted trying to find that magic shape. Oiling the bearings in a BL motor every couple of months is so much harder than cutting the comm and rebreaking-in the brushes every 1 to 5 runs or so.
And if we are going to go back to brushless I want to go all the way back to ROAR 91's. You remember the old motors like the Parma wet mag motors with stand-up brushes. Yeah, those were the bomb.
Laptop=LATHE
rotor tester=MAGNET ZAPPER
Weak rotor replacement= $30, bad brushed arm $15
Poor quality can windings= $50, Weak brushed can $25
Totally bad BL motor= $80, 3 handout motors $75
Yeah the horrible expense of brushes and the "black art" of motor tuning
Noone was suggesting that we return to brushed, just that it had been pointed out before the change over that it wasn't gonna level the playing field like many had claimed.
I've done both and both have their disadvantages/advantages, and noone was really proposing we return to brushed. In the end it's pretty much the same. I didn't spend any less racing the Halloween Classic this year than I did in the days of brushed motors, nor did I spend any less time looking for horsepower. Now we just do it differently.
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