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Old 03-23-2010, 05:06 PM   #13546
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Hi All

I'm new to the Tekin RS and have had a brief read through this forum to try to get a good starting setup for my TRF 416x running a 10.5 Speed Passion V3 motor indoors on Carpet using rubber tyres btu have stuggled even with a search.
I have the 203 software loaded but i need a place to start please with both settings for the speedo, motor timing and for gearing (previously I'd been running an SXX TC Spec at 6.9 FDR if this helps)

The size of track is about 60m by 20m with the straight being the full 60m and a flowing infield.

I really would appreciate any help as I don't want to cook a motor with the boost/turbo functions which I am not used to

Thanks in advance

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Old 03-23-2010, 05:07 PM   #13547
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For those having motor fade problems
as miky32 has already said

try the following drop your timing 5
or drop your turbo 5
or increase your delay .1-2

or try dropping 1-2 teeth on your pinion
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Old 03-23-2010, 05:11 PM   #13548
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I have the same problem too, turbo fade after about 3 minutes. Is it something to do with the radio. Is the RS like everything set to 0 on the radio?
As the Turbo fades away than it is solved with the EPA thing.
As it is not the Turbo but the battery is losing power, than it can be the following.
To much timing ad once.
Timing higher than 60 to 65 degrees.

With Jason his setup you have change that you get a bit of power loss.
I got it and I changed my setup.
After some test on a small indoor track I changed my start RPM. It was about 5000 but I higher-ed it to 8000 and even higher.
This solves a bit of the problem.
I found that when you set the Turbo delay low and the start RPM is also low so that you get the Boost and Turbo quit soon, that you get more fading.
With a higher RPM range it became less.

Motor timing on 0 is not always 0.
With my last setup I had my Turbo delay on 0,3 but I only used a Turbo of 5 with a Turbo ramp of 2.
Turbo ramp on 3 ad the starts makes the motor hotter. It is faster but also than you get more fading.

As you use Jason his setup, remind that you have more timing than normal.
Each time as you give full throttle, you have the Turbo and the Boost wile as you set the Turbo with a delay, you have in the infield less timing.
For instance. As you use the following setup.
Boost 55
Turbo 15
Motor 10
Start RPM 5000
End RPM 15000
Turbo ramp 2
Turbo delay 0

On a track were you have your highest RPM ad 30000 and the lowest on 10000 you have and average of about +/- 20000 RPM.
This means that each time you have full throttle you have in 0,5 sec full Turbo and as you reaches the 15000 RPM you have full Boost.
This means that you have from that moment 80 timing in total.
This timing you will have a lot of times on the track wile as you set the setup like this.
Boost 55
Turbo 15
Motor 10
Turbo delay 0,5
Turbo ramp 2
Start RPM 8000
End RPM 18000
Than you have later the Boost and the Turbo even later so you drive in the infield with a lower timing.
As the Turbo is used only on the straight you have in the infield max 65 timing.
and each time the RPM comes under the 18000 it's even lower.

Now by using Jason his setup but higher the the start RPM to say 9000 and the end RPM 19000, you also lower the average timing in the infield.
Also do you get less timing in the start when the motor can't handle that much timing so you get more torque ad the start.

This way you make shore that you don't have to much timing in the start, your average timing lowers on the track and you gain torque ad the start.
You have less problems with fading and less problems with motor head.
Also you get more infield rip.

Jason his setup works very well as you don't need to go every corner full throttle.
The power is there when needed with his setup.
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Old 03-23-2010, 05:14 PM   #13549
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Hi All

I'm new to the Tekin RS and have had a brief read through this forum to try to get a good starting setup for my TRF 416x running a 10.5 Speed Passion V3 motor indoors on Carpet using rubber tyres btu have stuggled even with a search.
I have the 203 software loaded but i need a place to start please with both settings for the speedo, motor timing and for gearing (previously I'd been running an SXX TC Spec at 6.9 FDR if this helps)

The size of track is about 60m by 20m with the straight being the full 60m and a flowing infield.

I really would appreciate any help as I don't want to cook a motor with the boost/turbo functions which I am not used to

Thanks in advance

Paul
Try the Schreffler zero delay setup from the snowbirds, on tekin site.
Max timing on the v3 motor (its a dog at std timing)
And gear really low, dont be aftraid to go into the 9's
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Old 03-23-2010, 05:23 PM   #13550
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Try the Schreffler zero delay setup from the snowbirds, on tekin site.
Max timing on the v3 motor (its a dog at std timing)
And gear really low, dont be aftraid to go into the 9's
Thank you,

Are those the only modifications I need to amke for the 10.5 as this setup seems to be for a 13.5?

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Old 03-23-2010, 05:24 PM   #13551
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As the Turbo fades away than it is solved with the EPA thing.
As it is not the Turbo but the battery is losing power, than it can be the following.
To much timing ad once.
Timing higher than 60 to 65 degrees.

With Jason his setup you have change that you get a bit of power loss.
I got it and I changed my setup.
After some test on a small indoor track I changed my start RPM. It was about 5000 but I higher-ed it to 8000 and even higher.
This solves a bit of the problem.
I found that when you set the Turbo delay low and the start RPM is also low so that you get the Boost and Turbo quit soon, that you get more fading.
With a higher RPM range it became less.

Motor timing on 0 is not always 0.
With my last setup I had my Turbo delay on 0,3 but I only used a Turbo of 5 with a Turbo ramp of 2.
Turbo ramp on 3 ad the starts makes the motor hotter. It is faster but also than you get more fading.

As you use Jason his setup, remind that you have more timing than normal.
Each time as you give full throttle, you have the Turbo and the Boost wile as you set the Turbo with a delay, you have in the infield less timing.
For instance. As you use the following setup.
Boost 55
Turbo 15
Motor 10
Start RPM 5000
End RPM 15000
Turbo ramp 2
Turbo delay 0

On a track were you have your highest RPM ad 30000 and the lowest on 10000 you have and average of about +/- 20000 RPM.
This means that each time you have full throttle you have in 0,5 sec full Turbo and as you reaches the 15000 RPM you have full Boost.
This means that you have from that moment 80 timing in total.
This timing you will have a lot of times on the track wile as you set the setup like this.
Boost 55
Turbo 15
Motor 10
Turbo delay 0,5
Turbo ramp 2
Start RPM 8000
End RPM 18000
Than you have later the Boost and the Turbo even later so you drive in the infield with a lower timing.
As the Turbo is used only on the straight you have in the infield max 65 timing.
and each time the RPM comes under the 18000 it's even lower.

Now by using Jason his setup but higher the the start RPM to say 9000 and the end RPM 19000, you also lower the average timing in the infield.
Also do you get less timing in the start when the motor can't handle that much timing so you get more torque ad the start.

This way you make shore that you don't have to much timing in the start, your average timing lowers on the track and you gain torque ad the start.
You have less problems with fading and less problems with motor head.
Also you get more infield rip.

Jason his setup works very well as you don't need to go every corner full throttle.
The power is there when needed with his setup.
I guess i have to change the settings, i got it wrong. Anyway that was the first race I use the RS, I had motor timing at 10 degree at first and fade in about 3 minutes, then i lowered my motor timing to 5 degree and it fade in about 4 1/2 minute.
Thanks for your help
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Old 03-23-2010, 05:38 PM   #13552
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Thank you,

Are those the only modifications I need to amke for the 10.5 as this setup seems to be for a 13.5?

Cheers
You should be pretty safe starting with the entire setup, just with a higher FDR, I have heard others say go to a higher end RPM as a 10.5 will rev out more, but as long as u keep an eye on temps to start with you should be safe.

The zero delay feels much much nicer to drive than the turbo delay style.
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Old 03-23-2010, 07:05 PM   #13553
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Hey guys,

I'm looking for a nice starting setup for a 21.5.
I was thinking of just using a std setup for a 17.5 and going from there but
it would be nice to have a better starting point, thanks.
Tracks roughly 70 x 35 ft.

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My car was wicked fast on the weekend. Zero delay all the way
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I agree I found the car had better drive off the corner with 0 delay and the car was much more consistent from lap to lap, after I got used to the different feel of the 0 delay I broke the track record by 0.3 and bettered my personal best by 0.4
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Com on silva stop trolling around this tread
and give us some input

I have a spare black and red speedi you blue
boys can try anytime
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Com on silva stop trolling around this tread
and give us some input

I have a spare black and red speedi you blue
boys can try anytime
reading some of these pg's looks like a need some degree to run this speedy...haven't been beaten yet
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Old 03-24-2010, 05:57 AM   #13558
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I have a problem with the tekin rs pro
used te esc tekin rs pro end tekin motor 10,5
The problem is this:
use the v203 tekin with software and with these values:
4 trottle profile
Timing boast 35
turbo boast 10
Dealy 0.2 turbo
3.0 turbo ramp
Start RMP 4678
end rpm 12500th
Final Report 6.5

The problem is that the regulator is very strong, but after 3 minutes significantly diminish the performance as if any further attacks on the turbo, I tried various things but I do not know what the problem is, my friend uses tekin like me and with the same settings and has no problems, and how I use ezpower lipo 50c


No welds are fine
No welds are fine
No welds are fine

controlled welds are ok, what would you advise me to change my set-up Tekin?

What's wrong with how I use it?
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Biagio you can try this it may be better, I'm not sure of your track size though.

Throttle profile 3
Timing boost 50
Turbo boost 10
Turbo delay 0.0
Turbo ramp 2.0
Start rpm 5000ish
End rpm 19500ish
Final Ratio 8.33
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I have a problem with the tekin rs pro
used te esc tekin rs pro end tekin motor 10,5
The problem is this:
use the v203 tekin with software and with these values:
4 trottle profile
Timing boast 35
turbo boast 10
Dealy 0.2 turbo
3.0 turbo ramp
Start RMP 4678
end rpm 12500th
Final Report 6.5

The problem is that the regulator is very strong, but after 3 minutes significantly diminish the performance as if any further attacks on the turbo, I tried various things but I do not know what the problem is, my friend uses tekin like me and with the same settings and has no problems, and how I use ezpower lipo 50c


No welds are fine
No welds are fine
No welds are fine

controlled welds are ok, what would you advise me to change my set-up Tekin?

What's wrong with how I use it?
It could be a controller problem, try this:

1. On your hand controller set throttle EPA to 90%.
2. Then recalibrate your controller with the Tekin ESC.
3. Then change throttle EPA to 120% on hand controller

This should fix Turbo fading.

If that doesn't work try lower Final Drive (FDR) to about 7.0

Good luck
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