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Old 02-02-2010, 07:45 AM   #11611
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you setups look real close to mine. the only diff would be that I gear a little high then most. I am currently running like a 90-93mm for our track. it is a med to large track, but because we are trying to keep breakage down, the track is very open. on my data logger I am only off full throttle like 5 times on the track. so i can gear pretty high.

here are my current stock and superstock setups. these are pretty good setup for the motor just gear a couple teeth down to start. these are really setup for our track and where the rpms hit and where the speed hits down the straight.
What changes would you make to the 17.5 settings for a track that is much smaller, perhaps about half the size of Mike's?
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Old 02-02-2010, 07:50 AM   #11612
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at this point. I really don't work setup to different track. I run a couple of good laps with 0 boost and 0 turbo and gear as if that was what I had to run. then i look at the data for the infield and set my rpm range to match the infield and then also look to see how long it takes to get to the middle of the longest straight, and that is where I start my turbo.

but if I had to guess, I would think that the rpm range would be lower and then the turbo delay would be shorter or none at all.
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Old 02-02-2010, 07:50 AM   #11613
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Randy, Schreff, I don't understand the trick of that setup. What happens when boost comes on line? Does it knock the turbo off? Do both continue thus raising timing at a much faster rate?
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Old 02-02-2010, 07:56 AM   #11614
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Just wanted to thank the Tekin gang for a really great esc. Gave me nothing buy joy since i bought them ( 1 year apart). Keep up the good work guys.

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Old 02-02-2010, 07:59 AM   #11615
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Thanks Yang. I don't have an RPM logger so I'll have to wing it.
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Old 02-02-2010, 08:01 AM   #11616
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understood. i just find my guessing to be pretty far off sometimes.
and at $50, i could not pass up the deal.
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Old 02-02-2010, 08:05 AM   #11617
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I will have my setup from the Birds on here later today. I kept playing with a few things and do not have what I ended up with written down. This is for 1/12th 10.5 single cell. TQ and finished 6th after a monumental blowout worthy of Fairtrace recognition. Thanks to everyone at Tekin, the thing was simply insane! I really think there is some left in the setup even as fast as it was, I really don't think I nailed the rollout and Boost settings perfectly, I didn't get on the track till Thursday and had problems my first two runs, just simply ran out of time.

Also for mod, I ran a 4.0T with an RS Pro. I used sensored only mode with a little timing boost and turbo boost. The thing was simply insane, very hard to drive, If i got into the throttle a little too hard corner to corner it would literally lift the front wheels off the racetrack, insane! Never got a clean/trouble free run in quals and qualed 9th, but finished 4th.

Bottom line whether mod or spec Tekin has you covered.
Really looking forward to your setup, as will a fair number of others in the UK with 10.5 being our stock class!

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Old 02-02-2010, 08:41 AM   #11618
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I'm just getting into the Tekin thing and I am noticing that the boost and turbo settings don't vary too much from setup to setup. However, it seems the start and end RPM are varying a lot. Some people are posting a window of a mere 2-3,000 RPM, and then I'll see a setup like Schreff's that goes up to 18,500 RPM!

I am guessing the faster the motor, the more linear you want the power, and thus the wider you want the RPM range to be? With 17.5 where you want all the rip you can get, would you narrow up the range?
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Old 02-02-2010, 08:54 AM   #11619
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Just got a Tekin at the Birds this past weekend. I had sort of a rough week (still loved it all tho) and after researching and talking to drivers and company reps all week I went with the RS. J Cuffs set it up for me (v203) and the Tekin Prez and wife hooked me up with a little swag (thanks guys). Larry Fairtrace put his setup on it and with my old Duo2 it was crazy! I have been a Blue fan for a long time but didnt get the help I needed from them when my SPX was having problems. The Tekin guys took time with me which means regardless of how the others develop their speedos I will run Tekin. Plus it was blazing fast still not used to it, but I will be!!!!

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M-Technic - Narrowing the RPM range provides a more aggressive timing boost rate, which is better for generating punch out of corners. Wider RPM ranges provide a more linear feel since your adding timing at a slower rate, and work well for controlling motor temperature. A slower timing curve allows you to set the turbo delay at a lower value, which allows you to add turbo and timing boost simultaneously w/o overheating the motor. When using this approach, start with conservative settings and work your way up until you find the right settings for your particular track.
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Old 02-02-2010, 09:00 AM   #11621
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Whit a narrower RPM window you get more acceleration.
I use it with a lighter gearing but when I gear heavier, than I set my end RPM higher and my start RPM also a bit.
This way you can gear heavier and keep the same amount of Boost.
A 17,5T can handle also a narrower RPM window than a 10,5T.
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ok i kind of understand the timing boost settings , but if i set my start point at 1,000 and my end point at 10,000 this is when the timing will be advanced

so what happens after 10,000 ?? does the motor just stay at max revs ??

and what happens if i set the timing end point to 25,000 but the motor never reaches this revs ???
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ok i kind of understand the timing boost settings , but if i set my start point at 1,000 and my end point at 10,000 this is when the timing will be advanced

so what happens after 10,000 ?? does the motor just stay at max revs ??

and what happens if i set the timing end point to 25,000 but the motor never reaches this revs ???
The motor keeps on accelerating. The Boost comes in between the 1000 and 10000 RPM. This is just the window were the Boost is added. This doesn't mean that the car is than on it's top speed.
By motor timing you set it for instance on 10. Than you have straight away 10 timing. Whit the Boost it's a bout the same but instead of adding it ad once it comes in slowly to make it possible for the motor to get some speed and doesn;t have to handle to much timing ad once.
This way you can set more timing on the motor than before.
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Old 02-02-2010, 09:20 AM   #11624
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ok i kind of understand the timing boost settings , but if i set my start point at 1,000 and my end point at 10,000 this is when the timing will be advanced

so what happens after 10,000 ?? does the motor just stay at max revs ??

and what happens if i set the timing end point to 25,000 but the motor never reaches this revs ???
Those are exactly the kind of questions I have too. I tried to figure it out but we need more info from Tekin. It seems to me that right now you need a data logger if you don't want to try blindly setups and risk frying something.

In short, if the motor winds up to the max RPM it will just stay there (or continue accelerating without more timing being added until some limiting factor stops it - think brushed motors). Turbo can help here if set up properly it takes over and continues adding timing. How smooth the transition happens depends on how well you read what happens to your motor. This is where the data logger can help immensely.

If the motor can not spin up to the max RPM, it will not get all the timing boost. Perhaps this is the more undesirable situation of the two because if the motor can not spin up it means that you're geared too heavy.
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Old 02-02-2010, 09:34 AM   #11625
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ok i kind of understand the timing boost settings , but if i set my start point at 1,000 and my end point at 10,000 this is when the timing will be advanced

so what happens after 10,000 ?? does the motor just stay at max revs ??

and what happens if i set the timing end point to 25,000 but the motor never reaches this revs ???
max revs will probably be higher than either of those two figures for 13.5 or lower wind motors
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