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Old 01-13-2010, 10:45 PM   #10606
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With the 203 software, you can drop 6-9 teeth from your pinion and add in boost and turbo. You will be amazed that your car now has better acceleration and better top speed on the straight while keeping the motor temp as before.

Tekin did an excellent job in adding features to the RS.

Like I said before, my friend and I had the same car, same motor, only different ESC and different FDR... I blew away from his car on the straight while keeping a good infield speed. My motor temp is also lower than his. So dont be scared to use smaller pinions. With Boost and Turbo, you will have to set up your gearing differently.
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:42 AM   #10607
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Old 01-14-2010, 03:41 AM   #10608
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Interesting dialogues.

Any suggested settings for my new RS using the 203 software in my WGT? Have a Duo 13.5 motor on a medium carpet track (NorCal). Thanks.

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Bill - My WGT setup is using a Duo2 motor, and I feel that it is currently the fastest WGT on the track at Mikes.

Motor Timing - Stock 10-deg
Rollout = 74mm (52mm tire, 88-spur, 40-pinion)
Throttle Profile = 2
Timing Boost = 40
Turbo Boost = 10
Turbo Delay = 0.4
Turbo Ramp = 3.0
Start RPM = 3865
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Old 01-14-2010, 05:27 AM   #10609
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i am also new to this stuff.1st esc and just got a hotwire.had a friend set up the esc for me with the 203.seems good but could be faster.that was with a 17.5 duo2 motor.i usually run 13.5 with a orion motor.any thoughts on starting point with a 13.5?
if you're talking about running at Horsham, I'd ask Greg Sharpe or in the Horsham thread to see what they are running there..

I know haulnec posted a 17.5 setup in the thread, it might work for a software starting point
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Old 01-14-2010, 05:38 AM   #10610
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if you're talking about running at Horsham, I'd ask Greg Sharpe or in the Horsham thread to see what they are running there..

I know haulnec posted a 17.5 setup in the thread, it might work for a software starting point
its interesting for me learning this stuff.i had to purchase all new pinions so i only have 2 right now.will be mainly running foam tires.
thats where i was getting my 37.96 rollout.
dont know how much running i will be doing at horsham though.
i have a 40 tooth and a 45 tooth.45 installed now.
when i get to the track i will try both pinions and compare lap times.

thx for the info im sure i will have more questions in the future.
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Old 01-14-2010, 12:34 PM   #10611
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With several motors having negative timing available, has anyone experimented with that type of setup? Most RS v203 1/12 setups are running real strong based off a 0* motor setup. Would there be an additional gain in torque by basing a setup off of -10*? If so, could this type setup give you a different low/midrange powerband that would help on certain type layouts?
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I updated the RS / HotWire doc at http://rcfaq.weebly.com/tekin-rs--hotwire.html .

This version explains the "Start/End RPM mysteriously change to default values" bug (and how to work around it), adds more emphasis to the fact that turbo can start ramping before boost finishes, among other changes. The download page now suggests using Word's "compare" function to read just the changes.
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:11 PM   #10613
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With several motors having negative timing available, has anyone experimented with that type of setup? Most RS v203 1/12 setups are running real strong based off a 0* motor setup. Would there be an additional gain in torque by basing a setup off of -10*? If so, could this type setup give you a different low/midrange powerband that would help on certain type layouts?
Very good question!!!!! ...... just recently in the Novak Race we had tested the timing down to -7 on the Epic Based Duo 2 Motors, specifically to gain bottom end torque ........ all I can tell you is WOW !!!!

Although every track size is different and the placement of the RPM Range and delay would be effected accordingly.

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Old 01-14-2010, 01:16 PM   #10614
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Very good question!!!!! ...... just recently in the Novak Race we had tested the timing down to -7 on the Epic Based Duo 2 Motors, specifically to gain bottom end torque ........ all I can tell you is WOW !!!!
I don't know about Duo2's but the Nemesis if set to 0 actually has about 12 degrees of timing in it so I could see some benefit from a negative setting on those motors. I can't imagine an ACTUAL negative timing working well but who knows.
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Question...looking at the data log graph several pages back I see the motor was hitting much higher RPMs than the kv rating of the motor would suggest and much higher than the top RPM set point in Hot Wire. Given that shouldn't we be using even higher values for our top RPM? As I recall the graph went up to around 30K RPM yet I still see setups with top RPM settings at around 12K or so...less than half of the RPM achieved.
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Question...looking at the data log graph several pages back I see the motor was hitting much higher RPMs than the kv rating of the motor would suggest and much higher than the top RPM set point in Hot Wire. Given that shouldn't we be using even higher values for our top RPM? As I recall the graph went up to around 30K RPM yet I still see setups with top RPM settings at around 12K or so...less than half of the RPM achieved.
I think it works best when you have all the timing you're adding within your rpm range, w/o turbo, completely added at approx your avg rpm of the track, meaning that if you have a max of 30k at the end of the straight, but you only have an average of 15k around the entire track, than 15k is approx where I think you should have the timing advance stop advancing. Once you reach your avg rpm, you should have the turbo kick in shortly after.

If you waited until the motor reached it's max of 30k rpm before you stopped feeding in 50-deg of timing, it would be slower to reach 30k rpm's since the motor would need that extra timing at an earlier rpm to reach 30k rpms by the end of the straight, probably not allowing you to reach 30k.
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anyone know who has the RS in stock? cant find one anywhere
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:43 PM   #10618
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anyone know who has the RS in stock? cant find one anywhere
If you can't find one separately, and you don't want to wait, you can probably find the Tekin RS or RS Pro & Motor Combo's in stock, and then sell the Tekin motor if you don't want it.
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:46 PM   #10620
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with boost hitting 50 at 30K rev, could you not use a bigger pinion to get some more speed? With 50degree timing at full rev of the motor instead of half the revs a bigger pinion would work as well i gues, infield you have some more torque as the timing will be lower with boost covering through the whole rev range.

Just curious. only testing will tell
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