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Old 01-06-2010, 02:51 PM   #10156
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At the track again today doing more testing. Got a 13.5 DUO1 in the middle hole in a rubber sedan, and with 50 boost and an RPM range from about 4500-10000, the motor seems too want to be geared around a 5.9 before it really starts to come to life. I tried a 7.0 and it was slower than a 17.5. This DUO was brand new.

If this ESC has the ability to log any data, I'd love to see a timeline showing RPM vs time, and then do an overlay of timing on top of it to see what's really going on when and where throughout the run.
Very odd... With V200 I had my 13.5 DUO1 middle timing hole geared around 7.2'ish FDR for an 85ft straight, 21 boost, max turbo, 0.5 delay. I have not tried V203 in it yet, but hope to this weekend and will send you a PM with what I find. I was present when a fellow racer tried his Speed Passion 13.5, and it was over geared at 6.8 FDR on the same track with V203. I'm pretty sure he was starting his timing around 3k and ending at 12k, and using some TURBO.

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Old 01-06-2010, 03:04 PM   #10157
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This one.
We can only sticky threads and not posts to the best of my knowledge.

Maybe Tekin has this on their site and you can give them the link to it.
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Old 01-06-2010, 04:20 PM   #10158
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What???

Are you saying that the RPM range is the Timing Ramping Range, and after maximum RPM's are reached, 5000 in this example, that the timing stays consistent from anything above 5000 RPM's?

In my head I was thinking the Timing Boost stopped adding any timing after the maximum RPM was reached. So what this software has really allowed is to get the car moving first before adding timing, which is why we are seeing reduced temps, and then maintain a linear timing from the Maximum RPM+ the ability to ramp in the Turbo Timing at an extremely fast rate.
You're right. Once you were to reach the above setups 5,000 rpm the total boost setting would NEVER go away unless the RPM's dropped below 5,000 rpm. This is effectively creating the timing booost "ramp rate."
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Old 01-06-2010, 04:34 PM   #10159
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this is so confusing to me...lol
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Old 01-06-2010, 04:38 PM   #10160
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Well just down doing my first testing
with v203 and all I can say is whooow
this thing kicks

Currently testing 40 timing 15 boost w.5
start 2500 end 12500

Don't seem to have lost any infeild speed
and realy kicking down the straight

motor temp 70c
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Old 01-06-2010, 04:41 PM   #10161
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http://forum.teamtekin.com/phpbb3/vi...hp?f=30&t=2413
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Old 01-06-2010, 04:51 PM   #10162
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Awesome Randy, That"s very clear and easy to understand. Thanks.
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that helpes me unserstand a bit better.it is so new to me though.i dont even have my rs pro yet and was looking for a good start point for tc.
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Thanks for the updates!
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Old 01-06-2010, 05:07 PM   #10165
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that helpes me unserstand a bit better.it is so new to me though.i dont even have my rs pro yet and was looking for a good start point for tc.
there are plenty of us that have a few runs,most more than others but we will get you on the path
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There you go. Thanks, Randy.
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Old 01-06-2010, 05:44 PM   #10167
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Barry Baker's setup:
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Old 01-06-2010, 05:48 PM   #10168
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i thought barry was working for novak a few months ago
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Without giving away the farm: Because we can now. With Vegas 1.0 and prior software that was always a reccomendation. There were too many motors that had various degrees of timing settings. Now that we have this much control the motor timing is less of an issue and we can push past the 30 mark. Yes the rpm schedule is VERY helpful and a big reason why we can do this. Before you were limited on when the timing boost actually occured. Now you can choose to fit YOUR needs.


1s vs. 2s will have "theoretically" double the rpm set points because it's twice the voltage and twice the rpm's.

TC's or gearbox cars have a reduction to them where as pan cars or direct drive do not. They rollout differently on the track. These are not "set in stone" and can very with drivers, tracks, layous. But it should help everyone understand. Setting your TC with say 1,000 start and 5,000 end will work but that will more than likely cause your timing boost to always be ON. You will likely never roll down to those rpm's on the track once the car is moving therefore defeating the purpose of ramping timing.

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Randy: first of, i'd like to say thanks for all the help in explaining how the new software works. kudos to you and Tekin!

From what I understand, the biggest change really is the ability to "schedule" the timing boost with rpms as the controlling factor/variable. With that in mind, would you be able to share what the trigger points were in the v200 (vegas) for timing boost to kick in? I am assuming it was also RPMs but the main difference back then was that it was fixed or preset to kick in at a certain RPM level unlike now where we can manipulate it. If i am even remotely correct in my assumption, would you be able to tell was the starting RPM level was in the previous version? I ask this because if this is so, this gives us a good peg as to where were were at before with v200 and may make it easier to fine tune and adjust now with v203.

Another thing I am assuming is that the previous version (ie. vegas 200) had no rpm range to give it a virtual "timing boost ramp" that the current v203 provides. If this assumption is correct, this would mean that back then if we set a timing boost at 20 degs, the boost was set to kick in the preset RPM value which lets say was fixed at 3000 RPMs. So basically once it 3000 RPM, the full 20 degs of timing boost was applied instantly and would remain that way until the RPMs go down below 3000k.

.... of course I could be totally off in my understanding too! which would not be surprising! haha

ps. apologies if a similar query was already asked previously...
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Wayne,

What FDR did you use for your 416?

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