R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-15-2009, 06:15 PM   #8656
Tech Champion
 
stiltskin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 5,368
Trader Rating: 102 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint161 View Post
+1
I can't get mine figured out.
5.0 fdr, 8 motor, 20 boost, max turbo, .5 sec. tekin 17.5 motor. What I've found works best for me but lacking punch..... big time!
Very close to mine. I'm running 5.3 FDR, 12 motor, 20 boost, max turbo and .3 delay. Drag brake off, push control 10. I'd like some more punch also, but I'm not suffering in the infield.
__________________
Tony Rumple
Team EAM // Gravity RC
stiltskin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 06:20 PM   #8657
Tech Apprentice
 
Clint161's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Langley B.C.
Posts: 81
Trader Rating: 1 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stiltskin View Post
Very close to mine. I'm running 5.3 FDR, 12 motor, 20 boost, max turbo and .3 delay. Drag brake off, push control 10. I'd like some more punch also, but I'm not suffering in the infield.
Thanks alot Skin!!! I'll try that.
Anyone else have any other ideas I should try?
Clint161 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 06:49 PM   #8658
Tech Master
 
trerc's Avatar
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Indiana
Posts: 1,821
Trader Rating: 89 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint161 View Post
Thanks alot Skin!!! I'll try that.
Anyone else have any other ideas I should try?
Push control is one of those things that depends on your driving style whether or not it will work for you, also it will not work in unison with drag brake.
trerc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 07:06 PM   #8659
Tech Lord
 
20 SMOKE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: HVR_ WEEKI WACHEE FL
Posts: 10,299
Trader Rating: 101 (100%+)
Default

i'm around the 12-15 motor,15 boost,turbo max 0.6 4.83fdr this was with duo2 but wanted to get in the 5's.now i have a redline 17.5 and have to try a few things
__________________
Jamie W
*Team Tekin*Tekno-rc*DE Racing*AKA*DDHRC*
20 SMOKE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 07:15 PM   #8660
Tech Champion
 
stiltskin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 5,368
Trader Rating: 102 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 20 SMOKE View Post
i'm around the 12-15 motor,15 boost,turbo max 0.6 4.83fdr this was with duo2 but wanted to get in the 5's.now i have a redline 17.5 and have to try a few things
I'm running the Tekin 17.5 right now. Looking to try a Duo when it comes in.
__________________
Tony Rumple
Team EAM // Gravity RC
stiltskin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 07:19 PM   #8661
Tech Champion
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: St Louis
Posts: 7,868
Trader Rating: 198 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stiltskin View Post
I'd like to see some 17.5 setups that are working out for you guys. I'm pretty happy with mine right now, but would like to see what's working for you guys. Post track size and tire type as well.
I will give my experience with this speedo and gearing and timing.

I am running on a 65x36 foot track.

No boost or turbo
LRP X12 17.5
4.65 fdr.

I started with the 2 dot stock timing for the motor. The car is fast with this and the motor is around 155. I was at a 4.53 and 5 boost and a 4.53 FDR and the temp was 195. This was in qual 2.

I found it very interesting that with 1 tooth down and removal of any boost I saw a drop in temp by 40 degrees. My fast lap was the same from qual 2 with the 4.53 to qual 3 with the 4.65. But my run was a total of 3 tenths better with 27 laps.

I did try backing the timing of the motor all the way to 4 dot and running a 5.5 fdr with 20 boost. This was not as fast by lap times but it did run the motor back up to 190.

I think I am close with my current settings and feel there may be another tenth to go on the laps.

I will also note I used the same battery and car setup in my testing. I know these are 2 variables that get over looked. One thing I think that is important is the battery pack. I have a few high end packs and there are differences by a couple of tenths. I think this will also affect the correct gearing for a given motor and track.
__________________
Please become an organ donor.
www.donatelife.net
Custom decals and Sno-Tee'z, T-Shirts by Sno Camel
dodgeguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 07:22 PM   #8662
Tech Champion
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: St Louis
Posts: 7,868
Trader Rating: 198 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint161 View Post
+1
I can't get mine figured out.
5.0 fdr, 8 motor, 20 boost, max turbo, .5 sec. tekin 17.5 motor. What I've found works best for me but lacking punch..... big time!
Do not over look your battery. Your battery could be the problem. Some people think lipo has eliminated the battery war. Well it has not. It has actually made it worse.
__________________
Please become an organ donor.
www.donatelife.net
Custom decals and Sno-Tee'z, T-Shirts by Sno Camel
dodgeguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 07:24 PM   #8663
Tech Lord
 
20 SMOKE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: HVR_ WEEKI WACHEE FL
Posts: 10,299
Trader Rating: 101 (100%+)
Default

with my duo2 with the same setup it had more rpms but didnt have the punch,the redline is close to the same rpms but has a little more snap.this was done holding the car to hear the rps and a few test runs on the street

dodge what packs,i'm using smc 5200 24c
__________________
Jamie W
*Team Tekin*Tekno-rc*DE Racing*AKA*DDHRC*
20 SMOKE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 07:26 PM   #8664
Tech Champion
 
stiltskin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 5,368
Trader Rating: 102 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 20 SMOKE View Post
what packs,i'm using smc 5200 24c
Thunder Power 40c 5000.
__________________
Tony Rumple
Team EAM // Gravity RC
stiltskin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 07:28 PM   #8665
Tech Elite
 
Greg Sharpe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: ...building minis
Posts: 3,237
Trader Rating: 15 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stiltskin View Post
I'd like to see some 17.5 setups that are working out for you guys. I'm pretty happy with mine right now, but would like to see what's working for you guys. Post track size and tire type as well.
Tekin RS w/Novak Ballistic 17.5
5.26FDR w/Jaco Blues
Motor timing @ N (which IIRC is 15degrees compared with other manufacturers)
Timing boost = max
Turbo boost = max
0.3second delay
Vegas 200
100x40 outer track dimensions, tight chicane leading into full length back straight followed by sweeper.

The infield is busy, keeping the car turning and transitioning. I set the gear ratio to keep the motor on boil throughout the infield. That 0.3sec delay doesn't hit until halfway down the back straight.
__________________
Why don't we endurance race more often?
Greg Sharpe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 07:35 PM   #8666
Tech Champion
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: St Louis
Posts: 7,868
Trader Rating: 198 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 20 SMOKE View Post
with my duo2 with the same setup it had more rpms but didnt have the punch,the redline is close to the same rpms but has a little more snap.this was done holding the car to hear the rps and a few test runs on the street

dodge what packs,i'm using smc 5200 24c
I have found the Epic 40C is a 2 tenths faster than a Thunder power 5400 25C. I also have a SMC 40c 5200 that is also slower. The TP pack is newer than the Epic. The SMC is a few months old. Non ever over discharged.

I also know of a fellow racer I pit next to. We are the fast guys with 17.5 at our track. He was using an SMC 6000 28C, then strapped in an SMC 5200 50C and went 2 tenths faster.

I also think that boost and turbo will add more heat to the motor than make it any faster if you have them set to high. I think that most people are using to much timing, mechanically or electronically for their given track size and battery.
__________________
Please become an organ donor.
www.donatelife.net
Custom decals and Sno-Tee'z, T-Shirts by Sno Camel
dodgeguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 07:36 PM   #8667
Tech Champion
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: St Louis
Posts: 7,868
Trader Rating: 198 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Sharpe View Post
Tekin RS w/Novak Ballistic 17.5

Motor timing @ N (which IIRC is 15degrees compared with other manufacturers)
The Novak Ballistic at N is really 30 degrees advance.

What is IIRC?
__________________
Please become an organ donor.
www.donatelife.net
Custom decals and Sno-Tee'z, T-Shirts by Sno Camel
dodgeguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 07:37 PM   #8668
Tech Master
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: oregon
Posts: 1,059
Trader Rating: 18 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to scr_achy Send a message via Yahoo to scr_achy
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dodgeguy View Post
Do not over look your battery. Your battery could be the problem. Some people think lipo has eliminated the battery war. Well it has not. It has actually made it worse.
Yes, this is very true! I had been running some Orion 3300 30c batterys and felt my car could of have been faster in all aspects of the track. I spent countless hours trying different gearing and hotwire setups. Purchased a new Flighpower 5000 40C pack and it was almost night and day.
__________________
Founder- RcBros.com
It's all about the fun!
Toys: MF2,E X1-CR, 8ight, LCC, MRC, Axial, T209, Baja 5B
scr_achy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 07:39 PM   #8669
Tech Champion
 
stiltskin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 5,368
Trader Rating: 102 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Sharpe View Post
Tekin RS w/Novak Ballistic 17.5
5.26FDR w/Jaco Blues
Motor timing @ N (which IIRC is 15degrees compared with other manufacturers)
Timing boost = max
Turbo boost = max
0.3second delay
Vegas 200
100x40 outer track dimensions, tight chicane leading into full length back straight followed by sweeper.

The infield is busy, keeping the car turning and transitioning. I set the gear ratio to keep the motor on boil throughout the infield. That 0.3sec delay doesn't hit until halfway down the back straight.
Is this the setup you run at Horsham?
__________________
Tony Rumple
Team EAM // Gravity RC
stiltskin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2009, 08:03 PM   #8670
Tech Elite
 
Greg Sharpe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: ...building minis
Posts: 3,237
Trader Rating: 15 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dodgeguy View Post
The Novak Ballistic at N is really 30 degrees advance. What is IIRC?
Yeah, Novak says that N is 30 degrees, but supposedly their 30degrees is only 15degrees in a Duo. Not that somebody's angle-o-meter is busted but the guy who wrote the unofficial Tekin RS user manual explained this discrepancy. I said 15 so that anyone with a non-Novak motor could replicate my settings properly without melting their toy car into the track surface. IIRC means "if I remember correctly".

Quote:
Originally Posted by stiltskin View Post
Is this the setup you run at Horsham?
Yes. I've been all over the spectrum of gearing and timing with this Novak motor, and it's sensitive to the single tooth at these settings. That tells me the relationship between timing and gearing is appropriate. If a tooth or two didn't feel much different, that would be a sign the high timing was numbing things down.
__________________
Why don't we endurance race more often?
Greg Sharpe is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Tekin Redline RS Sensored ESC and motors, opinions for offroad? Cain Electric Off-Road 4230 06-07-2015 04:38 PM
Sensored vs. Sensorless lemansracer Electric On-Road 71 02-14-2009 03:19 AM
New Tekin Redline Sensored Motors are Roar Legal! Randy_Pike Electric On-Road 3 08-05-2008 02:08 AM
Tekin Redline Sensored 10.5 HUCKMAN Electric On-Road 6 07-15-2008 08:50 PM
sensored vs sensorless bprocket Rookie Zone 5 05-16-2008 09:38 AM


Tags
v203, vegas 2.0


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 04:33 PM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net