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Old 10-04-2009, 11:27 PM   #7366
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Push control does work on brushless motors also. So yes if you have both set they will work against each other.

If you run drag brake at all DO NOT run push control.

We turned on push control for the BL systems for the 1/8 cars.
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Final Gear Ratio = 5.03

Drag Brake = 20
Brake Strength = 85
Neutral Width = 30
Timing Boost = 10
Turbo = Max

Motor Temp = 70C ~ 80C

Need help.
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That setup seems a bit "weak" for an 11.5 T motor. I'd like to know where your motor is timed? Where your buddy is geared with the Sxx.
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:42 AM   #7368
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What radio are you using?

I use a DX3R.
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Old 10-05-2009, 03:20 AM   #7369
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last weekend turkish nationals was finally finished with the 5th leg. in this last leg i finished first and in the overall i become 3rd. also the 2nd positon went to tekin rs pro.
we are running modified motor (3t and 4t) with 2 cell lipo in a very large track
i had tried 200 software in the 4th and 5th leg but with the turbo, i couldn't get the temps down, so i went back to hybrid mod with max boost, motor was 4t lrp with 0 timing. with 8.21 fdr it was the fastest in the track. temps were normal (4leds blinking) and in the straight it was very fast and in the corners i had enough punch.

next it euro touring season, i am planing to go to 3rd and 4th leg of ets, and i will be testing tekin rs pro in pro stock class.
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Old 10-05-2009, 03:40 AM   #7370
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Final Gear Ratio = 5.03

Drag Brake = 20
Brake Strength = 85
Neutral Width = 30
Timing Boost = 10
Turbo = Max

Motor Temp = 70C ~ 80C

Need help.
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I think your neutral width could also be making the bottom end feel quite soft, you would get power sooner if your neutral width was set to 10 instead of 30
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Old 10-05-2009, 04:38 AM   #7371
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Hi Randy,
I've notice something during a Local series race yesterday. Need your help.
Was taking part in the local stock class (11.5T/23T) I've found that there is some minor difference in intial punch. Tekin was a bit weaker comparing the both. Both me and my team mate's car was identical only difference is our ESCs (Me = Tekin RS pro : Team-mate = SXX ) and we are both using 11.5T Speedpassion V2.0 below is my set-up.

Still manage to get 3rd after being knock out to last on every first turn by others. But still find that I'll be able to catch up more with that inital punch.
i've tried bring the timing boost down to 5 but no difference.

Final Gear Ratio = 5.03

Drag Brake = 20
Brake Strength = 85
Neutral Width = 30
Timing Boost = 10
Turbo = Max

Motor Temp = 70C ~ 80C

Need help.
Thanks.
Seems like we're both having the same problems. I run the same motor too. I tried similar to your setup too but I ended up with:

Timing Boost; 20
Turbo; Max, Delay;0.5
FDR; 6.21

It was faster on the straights but still lacked acceleration out of turns. It was the best compromise for me. I couldn't keep up with the SPX and the much faster Orca Vritra TC Spec drivers. The Tekin seemed to limit low to medium speed power. I know it had nothing to do with the turbo coz I tested with turbo off and there was no difference on the first 20'-30' from standstill no matter how I geared or timed the esc.
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Old 10-05-2009, 05:10 AM   #7372
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I know Orca Hits Turbo with no delay after full throttle
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Old 10-05-2009, 05:12 AM   #7373
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Gear the Speedpassion motor heavier. You get more power corner out than when you gear it to light.
Set your boost on 18 Turbo max and Turbo delay on 0,8sec.
You get more power corner out.

I tried the Speedpassion with a light gearing and a low Boost but it only became slower in the infield.
On the track were I run 5,4FDR with my Speedpassion I run 6.0FDR with my Tekin and 5,6FDR with my LRP.
The corner out became faster wen I changed to 0,8 Turbo delay instead of 0,5sec delay.
This was for the lrp and Speedpassion the biggest difference because I gear the Tekin a lot lighter with a lower Boost and motor timing.
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Old 10-05-2009, 06:38 AM   #7374
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Gear the Speedpassion motor heavier. You get more power corner out than when you gear it to light.
Set your boost on 18 Turbo max and Turbo delay on 0,8sec.
You get more power corner out.

I tried the Speedpassion with a light gearing and a low Boost but it only became slower in the infield.
On the track were I run 5,4FDR with my Speedpassion I run 6.0FDR with my Tekin and 5,6FDR with my LRP.
The corner out became faster wen I changed to 0,8 Turbo delay instead of 0,5sec delay.
This was for the lrp and Speedpassion the biggest difference because I gear the Tekin a lot lighter with a lower Boost and motor timing.
I tried the above settings as well as anything else I could think of. Not much difference at all. I went from 4.5-7.5fdr one pinion at a time with timing boost set at 10, 12, 15, 18, 20, 23, 25, 28, 30 increment for every pinion. The motor was just lazy when taking off. Tried 2 different motors with it too. I was out testing for 3 days before race day. This was without turbo because I was looking for the best infield setup. I just wished it had more rip out of the slower turns. Time for a new software I suppose?
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Old 10-05-2009, 06:54 AM   #7375
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I tried the above settings as well as anything else I could think of. Not much difference at all. I went from 4.5-7.5fdr one pinion at a time with timing boost set at 10, 12, 15, 18, 20, 23, 25, 28, 30 increment for every pinion. The motor was just lazy when taking off. Tried 2 different motors with it too. I was out testing for 3 days before race day. This was without turbo because I was looking for the best infield setup. I just wished it had more rip out of the slower turns. Time for a new software I suppose?
No more need for a new motor.
I have a lot more power with my other motors.
The Speedpassion is not the best motor I have.

I tried with the Speedpassion 6.0 and even a lighter gearing and it became slower and slower.

But try an other Turbo delay. Set it to 0,8 to 1sec.
I found that the motor got more power out of the corner.
First I had the feeling that it hold in till the Turbo kicked in. Now I now that it was the Turbo that kicked in to soon.
Try this first.

Last national championship 4 drivers drove with a Tekin RS Pro and one of them used a setup I told him to start with and work from there.
This was it.
Boost 18
Turbo max
Throttle 5
4,8FDR
Speedpassion 10,5 motor on 5 cell.

After a day testing one driver used 4,7FDR.
The other 3 didn't train and didn't use this setup.
2 of them drove the race. They had a great top speed but lost a lot of power in the infield.
This was there setup.
Boost 24
Turbo max
5,4FDR.
Throttle 5

All of them Turbo delay still on 0,5. only comment of the driver with the heavier gearing was that on the straight he had a moment that it looked that the car hold in. Now I now it's that the Turbo delay was to low.
The other drivers had the same problem. They had a higher top speed but had now infield power.
I found that the Speedpassion better runs geared a bit heavier.
I don't love the motor at all so I didn't race a lot with it.
An other driver is training now with my motor.

the one using my setup was the fastest of all the Tekin RS Pro drivers. Normally he is the slowest of them.
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Old 10-05-2009, 08:14 AM   #7376
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I was testing for tight corner exit acceleration WITHOUT TURBO ON. I repeat, WITHOUT TURBO ON. It has nothing to do with TURBO. The same motor on my SP esc spooled up much faster out of the turn. I still used the tekin for the race for its excellent mid to top end power.

As for motors, we don't have that many makes for the odd 11.5T spec that we run. There are 3 main brands which are SP, Team Powers and Orca. The ORCA is yet to be released and only team drivers were using it. The Team Powers motor doesn't work with the Tekin coz it doesn't read the hall sensors (don't tell me to clean them coz I tried with a few new ones as well). That leaves me with Speed Passion, which almost half the field was running and looked great.

I am not saying the Tekin is bad. Extensive testing on my side says that there is more to be had from the RS. Though its very fast on the straights, its not quick enough out of tight turns when running with the motors we usually run.
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What is the track size?
lipo?
Photo's of the track?
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Hi Randy,
I've notice something during a Local series race yesterday. Need your help.
Was taking part in the local stock class (11.5T/23T) I've found that there is some minor difference in intial punch. Tekin was a bit weaker comparing the both. Both me and my team mate's car was identical only difference is our ESCs (Me = Tekin RS pro : Team-mate = SXX ) and we are both using 11.5T Speedpassion V2.0 below is my set-up.

Still manage to get 3rd after being knock out to last on every first turn by others. But still find that I'll be able to catch up more with that inital punch.
i've tried bring the timing boost down to 5 but no difference.

Final Gear Ratio = 5.03

Drag Brake = 20
Brake Strength = 85
Neutral Width = 30
Timing Boost = 10
Turbo = Max

Motor Temp = 70C ~ 80C

Need help.
Thanks.
I not sure I am using the correct setup or not, but this is the only setup I can beat with orca drivers at my local track.

Motor: SP 11.5t V2
Final Gear Ratio = 6.6
Drag Brake = 0
Brake Strength = 100
Neutral Width = 5
Timing Boost = Max
Turbo = Max
Delay = 0.5 sec

Above setup giving me alot of punch and top speed; the motor sound ouch....
Our track having 150ft on the straight.
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Did you also use a lower Boost and a heavier gearing?

Do you use Lipo's?
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Someone try these settings and tell me what you think. To me it felt like it was missing a little in the bottom to mid range but def was fast on the str8t. Track is 96x42 carpet running Jaco blues.

drag...15
neutral...12
profile...5
timing...12
turbo...15

fdr was insanely low at 7.4
temps were max at 140

Let me know if there is room for improvement here as I like how it felt just wasn't 100% satisfied yet.
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