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Old 09-28-2009, 08:56 PM   #7201
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Good advice! I think this is a common misconception. Adding timing is adding revs, but reducing torque. If you add the revs too soon, the torque is lost and the motor cannot gain speed - it will bog down and not spool up smoothly.

If you find that the turbo kicks in late, then reduce the boost. As I understand it, and have experienced it, the motor adds a fixed amount of timing throughout the rev range, starting at zero revs. Use this to increase acceleration off the turns.

Next, the boost comes in, at some point in the rev range, and adds a bit more timing. This always seems to work fine, and I have not had any hesitation during acceleration.

Next, the turbo comes in. This adds yet more timing, but it comes in after a time delay, not at a certain amount of rpm. If the motor has not finished spooling up using the boost, then the turbo just adds in more timing, reducing the torque, and the motor cannot spool up smoothly - it just bogs down.

Already on here the best advice has been given. Randy said to sort out your motor timing, boost and gearing first, and then add in turbo a bit at a time. Maximum 'attack' on the boost and turbo at the same time will cause more problems than it solves.

Cyanyde then won a T shirt from Randy for this quote:

"If you feel the turbo is coming in late on the straights, it may be that the
delay is set to come in too soon, causing the motor to lose torque and
unable to use the extra timing until it reaches a certain speed. Experiment
by turning off turbo first, then see how long the car takes to reach top
speed without the turbo. Use that time as the turbo delay. You wanna
make use of all the available torque without the turbo first. This will give
you optimum acceleration."

It's clear that when finding settings, you need to do motor timing, gearing and boost first, then make with the turbo settings last. HTH
wow sounds like some good advice to me
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Old 09-28-2009, 09:15 PM   #7202
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Good advice! I think this is a common misconception. Adding timing is adding revs, but reducing torque. If you add the revs too soon, the torque is lost and the motor cannot gain speed - it will bog down and not spool up smoothly.

If you find that the turbo kicks in late, then reduce the boost. As I understand it, and have experienced it, the motor adds a fixed amount of timing throughout the rev range, starting at zero revs. Use this to increase acceleration off the turns.

Next, the boost comes in, at some point in the rev range, and adds a bit more timing. This always seems to work fine, and I have not had any hesitation during acceleration.

Next, the turbo comes in. This adds yet more timing, but it comes in after a time delay, not at a certain amount of rpm. If the motor has not finished spooling up using the boost, then the turbo just adds in more timing, reducing the torque, and the motor cannot spool up smoothly - it just bogs down.

Already on here the best advice has been given. Randy said to sort out your motor timing, boost and gearing first, and then add in turbo a bit at a time. Maximum 'attack' on the boost and turbo at the same time will cause more problems than it solves.

Cyanyde then won a T shirt from Randy for this quote:

"If you feel the turbo is coming in late on the straights, it may be that the
delay is set to come in too soon, causing the motor to lose torque and
unable to use the extra timing until it reaches a certain speed. Experiment
by turning off turbo first, then see how long the car takes to reach top
speed without the turbo. Use that time as the turbo delay. You wanna
make use of all the available torque without the turbo first. This will give
you optimum acceleration."

It's clear that when finding settings, you need to do motor timing, gearing and boost first, then make with the turbo settings last. HTH
A+ for Fred, SlowerOne and Cyanyde
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Old 09-29-2009, 06:48 AM   #7203
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A+ for Fred, SlowerOne and Cyanyde
And a C- for most of the drivers who run timing ESC's and don't pay attention to the decent advice given to them, then whine when it all goes bang!
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:34 AM   #7204
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And a C- for most of the drivers who run timing ESC's and don't pay attention to the decent advice given to them, then whine when it all goes bang!
I'm enjoying the lesson so far. Nothing has gone bang in my experimenting. The learning curve isn't that steep. Finding and keeping torque during the acceleration phase and completing acceleration prior to turbo isn't confusing at all. It does take some practice though.

This reminds me of Nigel of Spinal Tap and his Marshal amp that goes to 11, so if he's playing at 10 and he needs just a little bit more he can crank it up, just a little more.

It isn't optimized cranked up. But the light and smoke show will be spectacular.
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Old 09-29-2009, 03:23 PM   #7205
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v200 software

would like to run 1c lipo & 10.5BL @ the weekend if software is available

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Old 09-29-2009, 04:16 PM   #7206
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anybody need a RS pro for cheap check it out

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Old 09-29-2009, 07:46 PM   #7207
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Does any one have a 13.5 balistic keeping up with a redline on this speedo? Or should I sell it and get a redline? Honestly
I've had my 13.5 Ballistic for a little over a month now and am quite happy with it. I run a RS (not Pro) and am just as fast as any other combination out there. I gear in the 5.4 - 5.7 range, Boost 15 to Max, turbo 15 to max, delay .5 (this is all I've tried), motor timing +5deg.
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Like Fred Sanford said; "you big dummy".
He's getting back into boats,,,, Myself, I'd set the RS Pro up in a 6 or 8 cell monohull, and have fun with the turbo boost.
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Many people moves from Tekin to GM here in Uk...
is there any software update in near future for Rs???
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Many people moves from Tekin to GM here in Uk...
is there any software update in near future for Rs???
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here it's the way around.
many change from GM to Tekin because the GM is to hard to adjust and the speed is the same.
On some tracks they have a higher top speed but they loose it all in the infield.

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Old 09-30-2009, 07:16 AM   #7212
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Many people moves from Tekin to GM here in Uk...
is there any software update in near future for Rs???
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Do you know why people are moving to GM?
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They think gm is a bit better out of corners etc.
I'm happy with my Tekin rs pro but even top Uk driver x-national champ R. Copsey looking forward to move GM ...
and many more uk drivers thinks about to move ..:
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Heck Im running Profile 3 and have tons rip out the corners..
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Do you know why people are moving to GM?
any reason?
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