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Old 08-31-2009, 12:35 PM   #6706
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if i don't use the lap time as gearing reference, than i don't know what to do. for the Tamiya race, everyone had to run Novak 17.5 and Orion3400 lipo. timing is fixed. i was running 15timing boost + max turbo. i guess the only thing i could have changed was the gearing. i tried 4.0, 4.3, 4.6, 5.0. and 4.0 FDR gave me the quickest average lap times.
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if i don't use the lap time as gearing reference, than i don't know what to do. for the Tamiya race, everyone had to run Novak 17.5 and Orion3400 lipo. timing is fixed. i was running 15timing boost + max turbo. i guess the only thing i could have changed was the gearing. i tried 4.0, 4.3, 4.6, 5.0. and 4.0 FDR gave me the quickest average lap times.
Did they leave the Novak at 0*?
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Did they leave the Novak at 0*?
yes, the staffs tech every motor.
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:45 PM   #6709
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yes, the staffs tech every motor.
If the novak was at 0 degrees, then you might of been slighly overgeared, and undertimed. Might of tried 25 on timing boost instead of 15, and geared down 1 maybe 2 64pitch pinion teeth from where you were. It would give you slightly better punch in both take off, and midfield. The turbo takes care of the straight.
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:46 PM   #6710
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if i don't use the lap time as gearing reference, than i don't know what to do. for the Tamiya race, everyone had to run Novak 17.5 and Orion3400 lipo. timing is fixed. i was running 15timing boost + max turbo. i guess the only thing i could have changed was the gearing. i tried 4.0, 4.3, 4.6, 5.0. and 4.0 FDR gave me the quickest average lap times.
What was your top speed with 4,0 FDR compared to the 5,0FDR?
What was the top speed compared to the others?

I use by far the lowest gearing with the Tekin on my track.
Still my top speed is the same as the other drivers.
The acceleration is faster than the other drivers.

That you are faster with a heavier gearing is not always because the car is faster. Some times the car is even slower than when you gear lighter.
A Tekin driver ad my club did also gear heavier than I did. He tried also a lighter gearing but he had problems handling the car when it was accelerating faster.
First I thought it was faster because he was faster with it, but after using my FDR he was making his corners much bigger. He misted his drive line each corner.
The car accelerated faster and he hath to get used to it.
After some practice runs he became faster.

I don't say that you have the same thing but I have faster lap times when the acceleration is higher.

You can also try a lighter FDR and set your throttle from 5 to 4. this makes it easier to drive in the infield.
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:28 PM   #6711
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Steve Weiss explained that both the earlier Novak motors--the Velocitis and SS Pros--and the new Ballistic motors were factory set to 30 degrees timing.


The above is a HobbyTalk quote from NovakTwo, a Novak employee. This explains why some of our local racers have been frying Novaks with Tekin RSs since we thought that they came from the factory at 12-15 degrees of timing.
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Steve Weiss explained that both the earlier Novak motors--the Velocitis and SS Pros--and the new Ballistic motors were factory set to 30 degrees timing.


The above is a HobbyTalk quote from NovakTwo, a Novak employee. This explains why some of our local racers have been frying Novaks with Tekin RSs since we thought that they came from the factory at 12-15 degrees of timing.
There you go !!
Taking that into consideration you should run around 10 - 15 timing boost max.
lower timing 0 - 5 will have more punch and accelleration.
Would think that on the turbo you would have to be conservative as well and not run max .
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:41 PM   #6713
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to those who has doubt about the brakes... i had almost 100laps this weekend and i have strong brakes lap after lap.
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Old 08-31-2009, 02:53 PM   #6714
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Hi Mikky, do you have a link to a vid off your track. just want to see how it compares to track im going to the weekend coming.. with your ratio of 6.3 then from there I can see how I should start with gearing...

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Old 08-31-2009, 04:15 PM   #6715
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Hi Mikky, do you have a link to a vid off your track. just want to see how it compares to track im going to the weekend coming.. with your ratio of 6.3 then from there I can see how I should start with gearing...

thanks

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No problem.
The last 2 cars are both with a Tekin RS Pro.
also the first driver with the pink and black car body.
All 3 with a Speedpassion 10,5 motor for the nationals.

I'm driving the gunmetal car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdtFV_zGSzk

this is all with 5 cell.

With 6 cell and a 10,5 you can better choose 7,0FDR to start with.
If you use a 10,5 Tekin Redline 10,5T
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Old 08-31-2009, 04:29 PM   #6716
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this is the track i will be goin to this weekend. any ideas on gearing and motor and speedo setup.

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tekin 10.5 with lipo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYGWcjnQ294

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No problem.
The last 2 cars are both with a Tekin RS Pro.
also the first driver with the pink and black car body.
All 3 with a Speedpassion 10,5 motor for the nationals.

I'm driving the gunmetal car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdtFV_zGSzk

this is all with 5 cell.

With 6 cell and a 10,5 you can better choose 7,0FDR to start with.
If you use a 10,5 Tekin Redline 10,5T

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Old 08-31-2009, 04:44 PM   #6717
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRflU8kVbro&NR=1

or that link to track

randy and anyone else any suggestions would be great setups to try.
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Steve Weiss explained that both the earlier Novak motors--the Velocitis and SS Pros--and the new Ballistic motors were factory set to 30 degrees timing.


The above is a HobbyTalk quote from NovakTwo, a Novak employee. This explains why some of our local racers have been frying Novaks with Tekin RSs since we thought that they came from the factory at 12-15 degrees of timing.
Every 'Y' wound motor I have come across comes with 30deg of timing as standard, this is what the manufactures call '0' deg.
Apparently true 0deg would cause the motors to run like dogs (delta wound motors come with true 0deg)

On the Tekin motors 0deg starts at 30deg, the timing mark saying 12deg would in actual fact be 42deg. But due to the timing always starting at 30, we only adjust from 30deg upwards.

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I think I agree with Skiddins. I had a SP, Trinity, and an LRP 13.5 apart on my pit table earlier this year trying to determine if their "standard" timing were the same. It appeared to me as if the sensors were in the same location relative to the coils/can etc from motor to motor. I'd be interested in seeing a Tekin and a Novak apart with the three I mentioned earlier and look for similarities/differences in std. timing. I don't care if we call it 0, 30 or 3.14159 degrees of base timing; the numbers seem arbitrary to me.
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On the track I seen in the vid I'd be running 10 on the motor, 20 on timing boost, full turbo with say .6 delay. It's hard to say though since one car is carrying far more corner speed than the other.
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