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Old 08-31-2009, 10:51 AM   #6691
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At this moment you should be more worried about if the motors can handle the tekin then the other way around, is my humble opinion anyway. And i do mean it seriously.
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just return from the Tamiya Championship. my first real race with the RS Pro v200.

Good: i quality 4th in the 17.5 class.
Bad: i drop to almost dead last at the start on all 3 rounds of finals

The problem: Turbo Lag.

Question: Is there a launch control in the RS Pro?

On the LRP, when you hold full brakes for a couple seconds, and then full throttle, it'll launch the car with full power. On the V200, i have to wait 0.5sec and then i have to wait for the turbo to ramp up. That 0.5sec delay at the start killed me. cars were passing me left and right before the first corner . I had great qualifing and race pace, but the start just nailed me

can this be addressed on the next firmware update? or this feature exist already?
This is all wrong, sorry. We don't need launch control since we give you 100% power 100% of the time. We DO NOT reduce power for any reason unless you programmed it in or you're hitting voltage cut off. Why would any speedo NOT give you full throttle! LOL

If you were having a launch issue your setup is off. Turbo is designed for straight aways and sections on the track where WOT is helf for a longer period of time.

Timint boost and motor timing are what is used at the beginning of a race and for the slow sections.


We chose/choose top quality components for the entire Tekin speedo line. I'm not saying we're leaving well enough alone though....
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:55 AM   #6693
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Nope... doesn't work that way. I gaurantee you that the other ESCs in those car's weren't starting out on the grid with fullly advanced timing. Even if they did.... they would be conderably SLOWER taking off at the tone, not faster. It seems like you either A) Are geared wrong, or B) are slow with your reaction time to the buzzer.
i am not sure if LRP is using full advanced timing or voodoo magic. but they do have launch control. please see "8. Special Features". http://www.lrp.cc/fileadmin/lrp_anle...tockspec-e.pdf
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i am not sure if LRP is using full advanced timing or voodoo magic. but they do have launch control. please see "8. Special Features". http://www.lrp.cc/fileadmin/lrp_anle...tockspec-e.pdf
Like I said, fully advanced timing would make you SLOWER out of a launch, not faster. Launch control in isn't why you are being beat off the line. Its either Gearing, Motor issues, Timing setup, or slow reaction time.
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What launch control does is simply give 100% power to the motor the moment your throttle moves forward. This is no where near enough to leave everyone else in the dust at the start.
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This is all wrong, sorry. We don't need launch control since we give you 100% power 100% of the time. We DO NOT reduce power for any reason unless you programmed it in or you're hitting voltage cut off. Why would any speedo NOT give you full throttle! LOL

If you were having a launch issue your setup is off. Turbo is designed for straight aways and sections on the track where WOT is helf for a longer period of time.

Timint boost and motor timing are what is used at the beginning of a race and for the slow sections.


We chose/choose top quality components for the entire Tekin speedo line. I'm not saying we're leaving well enough alone though....

Randy are you aware of LRP's lauch function is for 100% of power in very first step of forward signal to the ESC from a TX. therefore it can save time to 0-100% power. in that critical main start. 0.1 second save can get you a foot or two ahead, I klinda miss that function in my first main race with the RS.

PS: I think old tekin (one with 0-9 keypad on the ESC) had same function back in 90's aint it?
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This is all wrong, sorry. We don't need launch control since we give you 100% power 100% of the time. We DO NOT reduce power for any reason unless you programmed it in or you're hitting voltage cut off. Why would any speedo NOT give you full throttle! LOL

If you were having a launch issue your setup is off. Turbo is designed for straight aways and sections on the track where WOT is helf for a longer period of time.

Timint boost and motor timing are what is used at the beginning of a race and for the slow sections.


We chose/choose top quality components for the entire Tekin speedo line. I'm not saying we're leaving well enough alone though....
the V200 provides 100% power... but 0.5sec later.

my qualifing times tell me that my gearing is in the right ball park. the motor temp after the race is around 140F to 150F. The Tekin does run 10F to 20F cooler than the SPX. (i have both esc by the way).

i don't gear for the in-fields. i don't gear for the straigh line speed. i gear for the average lap time and motor temp.

Correct me if my thinking is wrong. from my experience this past 4day TCS race, the V200 is great for IFMAR style qualifing , and the V198 is better for the heads up starts in the finals.
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i am not sure if LRP is using full advanced timing or voodoo magic. but they do have launch control. please see "8. Special Features". http://www.lrp.cc/fileadmin/lrp_anle...tockspec-e.pdf
They had it already on there LRP TC.
It is not a plus.
It does it only by the start after that all the acceleration power is gone.
They give ad the start full power to the motor. As you use spectrum, this can give problems.
I have tried it 2 times and both were not a success.
All other TC users I now didn't use it.

When you come to short with the acceleration, you must look ad your gearing and timing you use.
I have a great starting power. That power you have the race long. The LRP has it only by the start.
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the V200 provides 100% power... but 0.5sec later.

my qualifing times tell me that my gearing is in the right ball park. the motor temp after the race is around 140F to 150F. The Tekin does run 10F to 20F cooler than the SPX. (i have both esc by the way).

i don't gear for the in-fields. i don't gear for the straigh line speed. i gear for the average lap time and motor temp.

Correct me if my thinking is wrong. from my experience this past 4day TCS race, the V200 is great for IFMAR style qualifing , and the V198 is better for the heads up starts in the finals.
I dont think that 0.5 later turbo boost can be considered as 100% power, that extra RPM is meaningless unless you topped out with your timing boost (which is 100% of power), like if you start rolling with a stick shift car from 2nd gear will be slower then first gear rolling then switch to 2nd gear when you reach for a same distance.
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the V200 provides 100% power... but 0.5sec later.

my qualifing times tell me that my gearing is in the right ball park. the motor temp after the race is around 140F to 150F. The Tekin does run 10F to 20F cooler than the SPX. (i have both esc by the way).

i don't gear for the in-fields. i don't gear for the straigh line speed. i gear for the average lap time and motor temp.

Correct me if my thinking is wrong. from my experience this past 4day TCS race, the V200 is great for IFMAR style qualifing , and the V198 is better for the heads up starts in the finals.
I have with the V200 more accelerating power than with the V198.
I geared more than 1FDR lighter with the V200 than with the V198.
Also did I lower the Boost.
With a lower overall timing you get more acceleration power.
When I start I win almost always 1 place before the first corner.
Infield power was last Sunday the fastest.
I only didn't finish one of my qualifications and finals.
Car problems. But they are solved now
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the V200 provides 100% power... but 0.5sec later..
You are confusing full power, with full timing. Ill say it again... you are either slow with your finger, or your gearing/timing is off. You may THINK you are geared properly because you are going by laptimes... but your competators may be geared/timed in a way that gives them better infield punch, AND better laptimes. That extra punch you would certainly see taking off from a start.... you would NOT see a benefit from any amount of turbo, or heavily advanced timing, when taking off from a start.

Are you running profile 5?
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Actually, speaking of getting out of the hole... In my main this weekend I was easily the fastest guy out of the starting gate with my RS. I qualified 2nd in the "A", and passed the TQ driver by the end of the very first turn, just 15 feet down the track.

How did I do it? I'm geared and timed for infield speed (the turbo gives me the straight speed), im running profile 5, and my car is balanced and tuned well enough to let me mash the throttle as hard as I can, giving me the confidence that my car will take off straight, balanced, and under control, the moment the buzzer sounds... and I have great reaction time

Not trying to toot my own horn or anything... but taking off from a start and diving into the first turn without smashing your buddy, is a skill you have to learn, and ALL of those kinds of things mentioned above come into play... turbo, launch control, and the color of my ESC is NOT one of them.
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Lower your Boost and motor timing. You have more starting power.
With a high total timing (Boost + Motor timing) you will accelerate slower.
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the V200 provides 100% power... but 0.5sec later.

my qualifing times tell me that my gearing is in the right ball park. the motor temp after the race is around 140F to 150F. The Tekin does run 10F to 20F cooler than the SPX. (i have both esc by the way).

i don't gear for the in-fields. i don't gear for the straigh line speed. i gear for the average lap time and motor temp.

Correct me if my thinking is wrong. from my experience this past 4day TCS race, the V200 is great for IFMAR style qualifing , and the V198 is better for the heads up starts in the finals.
There is no delay to full power. It comes on as fast as you can pull your finger on the trigger. Having an on/off switch instead of throttle control on takeoff is dangerous. If you're geared right, it might spin tires and pitch your car sideways off the track, into a wall or into racing traffic. It sounds like you are geared way too heavy. You may run consistent laps, but I bet your efficiency is way down. Does turbo work for you?
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Actually, speaking of getting out of the hole... In my main this weekend I was easily the fastest guy out of the starting gate with my RS. I qualified 2nd in the "A", and passed the TQ driver by the end of the very first turn, just 15 feet down the track.

How did I do it? I'm geared and timed for infield speed (the turbo gives me the straight speed), im running profile 5, and my car is balanced and tuned well enough to let me mash the throttle as hard as I can, giving me the confidence that my car will take off straight, balanced, and under control, the moment the buzzer sounds... and I have great reaction time

Not trying to toot my own horn or anything... but taking off from a start and diving into the first turn without smashing your buddy, is a skill you have to learn, and ALL of those kinds of things mentioned above come into play... turbo, launch control, and the color of my ESC is not one of them.
I got the "OOOOOO, pretty lights" from the peanut gallery.
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