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Old 12-14-2011, 01:48 PM   #21466
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And I agree, where's the outcry against ORCA? If races aren't going to follow ROAR's rules, why wouldn't ESC manufacturers try to sneak in a little timing to keep up with the other cheaters. It punishes them for doing the right thing.
Not to hyjack a thread (and not aimed at syndr0me), but why do people keep bringing up Orca and their illegal blinky software? Illegal by whom? Roar? IIC isn't a Roar race. This situation is crazy. The same people that complain when Roar makes rules are the ones who complain that every race should follow them.
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Not to hyjack a thread (and not aimed at syndr0me), but why do people keep bringing up Orca and their illegal blinky software? Illegal by whom? Roar? IIC isn't a Roar race. This situation is crazy. The same people that complain when Roar makes rules are the ones who complain that every race should follow them.
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Old 12-14-2011, 01:57 PM   #21468
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Not to hyjack a thread (and not aimed at syndr0me), but why do people keep bringing up Orca and their illegal blinky software? Illegal by whom? Roar? IIC isn't a Roar race.
Your right it wasnt....but it was using the ROAR approval list for Blinky classes for software I believe he posted somewhere before the event. They used all the normal ROAR rules like all other races do too.

Your right though...back to Tekin talk!

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Old 12-14-2011, 01:58 PM   #21469
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Old 12-14-2011, 02:05 PM   #21470
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I like some help with my esc setup if its possible to tweek it futher?
No problem with motor heat after 5min race.
This is what Im racing

Car: Kyosho TF-5 Shin
Tire: Rubber Slick Sorex 28
Gear ratio: 5.99:1 - 6.59:1
Battery: 2S 45C Lipo
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Track: Carpet indoor medium grip medium size

Current Version: 212
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Current Limit: 90
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Brake Strength: 65
Reverse Speed: Off
Neutral Width: 3
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Old 12-14-2011, 02:11 PM   #21471
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This is getting rediculous. Welcome to racing anything. Somebody always has a mechanical advantage. It has always been that way and it always will. I think I'm going to have to find room in my hauler bag to pack a box of Kleenex...




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Old 12-14-2011, 02:12 PM   #21472
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You know, I could have sworn, some pages back, that someone was complaining about team drivers running prototype software at big races thus having an unfair advantage over the other non team, but brand supportive drivers. These rumors were strongly denied and dismissed. Now The truth comes out and many drivers are admitting that they ran the new, unreleased software at IIC. So am I getting this wrong or has the cat been let out of the bag?.
None of the team drivers had access to new software at the IIC in any of the spec or blinky classes, period.

New software was being used being tried in other classes. This only changed teh feel and added no power to the setup. We respected the spec and blinky classes and their respective rules.
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Old 12-14-2011, 02:15 PM   #21473
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I've been trying to figure out why Tekin takes such a beating even though they've probably done more for racers than most companies. Saving us from having to buy $400 BD's with free software should have been enough to win the hearts of all racers from now until eternity. But it hasn't...

I think the previous post kind of sums it up. There's a lot of deception, mistrust, and talking in circles you guys do that rubs people the wrong way. You lack transparency with the way you're handling firmware updates, and contradict yourselves. The perception seems to be that you're outright lying. And that's unfortunate, because for the most part it seems like you're trying to do the right things for racing, but people sure do hate the way you're going about it.
Yeah Rc is funny that way. Transparency was something we did early on, and we ended up educating our competition by doing it. We no longer post data and as much detailed info as we once did. IF that comes with the baggage of being distrusted, so be it.

In the end our users and customers will benefit from the improvements.
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Old 12-14-2011, 02:40 PM   #21474
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One last thought, then I'll bow out and let you guys get back to it.

If you (or any company*) are influencing the class choices at a big race, like say 17.5 boosted instead of 13.5 blinky, then I think you owe it to other racers at that event not to give your team drivers something that might give them a competitive advantage, and that includes smoothness, since that can greatly affect drivability.

I understand the rules are "open," and that people can choose not to run a class, but that doesn't tell the whole story. If you're taking away a class that would have had rules preventing secret software, and replacing it with a class that allows it, hiding behind the "rules" really isn't acceptable.

This is all entirely my opinion, I have no idea if class choices are being driven by the manufacturers. Everybody knows you guys are the kings of boost. If I were sponsoring a race, I'd definitely try to get a class in there that best showcased my equipment.



*One can't help but speculate that a company banned from ROAR events might have done the same thing to get their stuff legalized.
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Old 12-14-2011, 02:47 PM   #21475
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Since team guys have been testing since October at least, can we expect to see a new version for the public soon?

I'd like to put my RS pro back into my main car I use for boosted, but I'll probably wait until the new software. I've been using an ORCA in boosted classes for most of the year due to the smooth linear throttle. With 212 it is not easy to get the throttle to feel nice and smooth. Sounds like you guys have fixed that, so I'm really looking forward to trying it. Would be nice to get that chassis real estate back too. The killer whale and its quad cap is a bit of a snug fit.
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Old 12-14-2011, 02:50 PM   #21476
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I don't know about this but I think that track barriers should be banned because I keep hitting them and no matter how much timing I program in the ESC it's still those pesky boards that prevent me from beating the team drivers. Ban the boards.
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Since team guys have been testing since October at least, can we expect to see a new version for the public soon?
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Old 12-14-2011, 02:58 PM   #21478
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Hi
Can somebody send me a setup with the rs and a lrp 17,5t bosted
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@Arecee...Stophitting the boards and try to steer.
It will help you get true the corners

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Old 12-14-2011, 03:01 PM   #21480
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You are still missing the point. ITS NOT CHEATING when its in an open class...Period. Check the rules. It says OPEN speedo/software. Blinky classes say LIMITED software. So therefore you can run anything you want in OPEN Classes until a rule is changed for that too (which may be soon enough anyway).

Now for the ORCA thing they DID run unapproved software in a BLINKY class. That is considered cheating.
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EA, what's the definition of "open class"?
Is it run anything that you find in your toolbox or run anything that is commercially available? legality aside, if it's anything goes then why not run foams tires in a rubber class? 3 cell rather than just 2? gyros, flux capacitors, rubber bands, hamsters, Photon generators, velcro tire caps, mythical creatures, paperclips, etc...
I'm not trashing Tekin, I love the product which is why it erks me that the tools to improve my chances of performing better are being used by the same Team I support yet these same tools are being used against me because I have been denied access to them. It's not just about weather or not any cheating was going on it's that the rest of us were not able to cheat too. I was wondering, do you pay for your racing? i.e travel, entry fees, equipment? I do...It's just a tough pill to swallow to hear that my chances of finishing better against the other branded equipment are being blocked by the representatives of the same brand I choose to spend my hard earned money on. Maybe not blocked but at the least, hampered.
Who cares about ORCA anyway? They don't have near the presence in the U.S. racing scene as Tekin so why complain. They are nobody in my book. Stupid name too...
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