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Old 01-19-2009, 05:25 PM   #2131
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Now I am sure that I absolutely don't understand this timing issue.
This weekend race was the first time that I ever tried sensored type motor and my new Tekin RS PRO.
In the first heat my car was so slow. Slower than others. I used a Novak 13,5 turn motor. In the first heat the timing setting was the default.
In the second heat I increased the timing to 40, but nothing changed.
In the third heat I increased it to 80 and tried a new FGR (5,2). The motor was still cold the car was a bit faster.
I noticed that the timing has minimal effect to the speed or am I wrong?

Pls. help me how can I increase the speed, what are the optimal settings for a 13,5 turn motor? Or what was my mistake? My problem is that I don't feel the timing effect... The motor was cold however the timing was 80 and the FGR was 5,2.
Do you have software ver 1.89? If you don't have 1.89 and checked "sensored only", then the timing will have no effect.
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Old 01-19-2009, 07:56 PM   #2132
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Stocker is right. You're in dual mode not Sensored only mode.

Sensored only mode to start.
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Old 01-19-2009, 08:31 PM   #2133
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That is a ton of timing and well beyond what we expect to work or be needed. We suggest about 30 to 35 max total for physical timing and boost added together. You must not be in the throttle very long anywhere on the track. Probabably ripped, but could easily skyrocket temps to 220+ if you kept running it for a full battery.

New hotwire being released soon increases drag brake adjustment range to the max brake level. DB is very weak currently and was set more for the sensorless delta motors where it was plenty. We also changed the range on the unit from about 55% of brakes to 80% of brakes which should be plenty.

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I actually never got the motor over 160 and that was after a 6 min run... the car was a missle down the strait though.
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Old 01-19-2009, 08:40 PM   #2134
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Most of the team guys are running around 35 degrees of timing for the TC classes using 17.5's and 13.5's.

The lower turn the motor the less timing you will need. Check the temps as you add timing. You should be dropping your gearing if you add ANY boost.
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Does this include the 15 degrees "built in" timing or is it just 24 on the can with 11 degrees of boost?

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Old 01-19-2009, 08:45 PM   #2135
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I didn't get a chance to try out the new software this past weekend at our race. I'll be bringing it with me to the Snowbirds though...will there be any Tekin people there should I decide to try and use this as a tuning aid?
Hey if you fly me over to race, I'll help with the Speedo!!!

We need to cross paths at Snowbirds!!! I'll be around the Darkside area!!
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is the speedo set from the factory for 2s lipo cut off, or does this need to be done through the hot wire?
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Do you have software ver 1.89? If you don't have 1.89 and checked "sensored only", then the timing will have no effect.
I have the 1.80 version.
The sensored only box wasn't checked. So I think the speedo was in dual mode. That's why I don't understand the timing. Some guys said 30-40 seems a lot timing, but I used 80 timing, the motor was cold and the car was slow... if the timing has a lot effect, the motor must be burnt but it's still OK.

Tahnk You Randy!

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Hey if you fly me over to race, I'll help with the Speedo!!!

We need to cross paths at Snowbirds!!! I'll be around the Darkside area!!
Yeah man...I'll be around the eXpress and BMI areas getting setups but plan to do a lot of walking around and checking things out.
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is the speedo set from the factory for 2s lipo cut off, or does this need to be done through the hot wire?
You can set it on the esc itself.
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I have the 1.80 version.
The sensored only box wasn't checked. So I think the speedo was in dual mode. That's why I don't understand the timing. Some guys said 30-40 seems a lot timing, but I used 80 timing, the motor was cold and the car was slow... if the timing has a lot effect, the motor must be burnt but it's still OK.

Tahnk You Randy!

Pls. help me, here you can see a printscreen about my settings.

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The number on the timing bar does not equate to degrees like the boost bar.
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The number on the timing bar does not equate to degrees like the boost bar.

what do you mean under boost bar? I only see this 10 type of bars...
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with the 189 software the timing bar changes to the boost bar when in sensored mode, so when some one is referring to 30 to 40 degrees of boost this is what they are talking about. If you have the hotwire, contact randy and ask for a copy of the new software and upgrade you esc.
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with the 189 software the timing bar changes to the boost bar when in sensored mode, so when some one is referring to 30 to 40 degrees of boost this is what they are talking about. If you have the hotwire, contact randy and ask for a copy of the new software and upgrade you esc.
Oh Thank You.
Now I understand. I have the old software, I will contact Randy!

Thanks a lot guys!!
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The RS is setup out of the box with a lot of "safe" settings to the average user will not damage anything.

For the average racer this is fine. However if you're an enthusiast racer you'll need to make adjustments.

Like the guys said, you need to be in sensored only mode to maximize that motors power.

When I recomend 35 degrees of timing, that's between the motor (24) and boost (10 to 11).
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Thanks Randy, I will start with that. Just need to gear conservatively. I am guessing somewhere around 4.5 FDR on 17.5 for Touring Car?
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