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Old 12-09-2010, 02:04 PM   #18871
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I'm new to the programable speed controllers, any advice for a good starting point for 13.5?

Another question, is it best to run a wide rpm range 5k to 20k or 5k to 10k? What are the advantages of each one?
Is this 2s LiPo or 1s LiPo?

The bigger the RPM range, the smoother the motor builds "boost", and generally adds less heat than adding boost quicker. The flip side is that some people like the "punch" of adding timing over a smaller range. If you are running 1s LiPo, the smaller RPM range would be recommended, since you may not see the higher RPMs with half the voltage. It also depends on track size.
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I'm running 20 push. It helped but its still there. I think push only activates if you go all the way to neutral.
For me, when faced with the same problem, I found the settings to not be the cause. I found the FDR made the biggest difference. I went from around 6.7 to 4.8 and it transformed it. You have to redo your rpm range to suit the harder gearing but my lap times dropped, were more consistent, motor came off at the same temp and the huge slowing in the sweepers disappeared.

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For me, when faced with the same problem, I found the settings to not be the cause. I found the FDR made the biggest difference. I went from around 6.7 to 4.8 and it transformed it. You have to redo your rpm range to suit the harder gearing but my lap times dropped, were more consistent, motor came off at the same temp and the huge slowing in the sweepers disappeared.

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Yes, I agree with you. I usually run one of the heavier FDR's at our track. I know that the extra torque of a lighter FDR can make that drag brake feeling worse. I should go back up a few teeth. I kept dropping it because of heat last time, but it feels a lot smoother with a heavier FDR.
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Is this 2s LiPo or 1s LiPo?

The bigger the RPM range, the smoother the motor builds "boost", and generally adds less heat than adding boost quicker. The flip side is that some people like the "punch" of adding timing over a smaller range. If you are running 1s LiPo, the smaller RPM range would be recommended, since you may not see the higher RPMs with half the voltage. It also depends on track size.
I will be using 2s lipo in 13.5 TC class. I will post my initial setup later. Thanks
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Old 12-09-2010, 02:53 PM   #18875
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I'm new to the programable speed controllers, any advice for a good starting point for 13.5?

Another question, is it best to run a wide rpm range 5k to 20k or 5k to 10k? What are the advantages of each one?
look over this,it is a how to and a very helpful guide on the rs http://redirectingat.com/?id=42X1295...%23post8320117
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Yes, I agree with you. I usually run one of the heavier FDR's at our track. I know that the extra torque of a lighter FDR can make that drag brake feeling worse. I should go back up a few teeth. I kept dropping it because of heat last time, but it feels a lot smoother with a heavier FDR.
If it warms up, just drop the boost a tad and leave the turbo alone. I also find with the heavier gear you don't need much boost in the low to mid sections, really just the turbo to keep the acceleration going on the straightaways...
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I am curious to know if anyone else had/has cogging/hesitation issues with 208 vs 203?...

I've been away from rc for a few months but my last race meeting was using 208 software but I found it had issues when accelerating out of corners with hesitation/cogging... I went back to 203 and using the EXACT same settings and gearing, the problem disappears... I know 212 is out now but haven't had a chance to try it yet
Yup we had a very similar issue. It would hesitate at the start also. Couldn't figure it at the track but when I got home I did a factory reset and that fixed it. Never happened before or since
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is it normal that the TURBO DELAY goes up or down in step of 0.05 , 0.10, 0.15 and so on.
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is it normal that the TURBO DELAY goes up or down in step of 0.05 , 0.10, 0.15 and so on.
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thats normal
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hi guys, after a starting point setup for a LRP X11 3.5 running an RS Pro on a large track with a 50m straight. have never run mod brushless before so a good starting point on gearing and timing advance etc. would be greatly appreciated. i have also been told that these motors are relatively fragile and crappy so im not to interested in pushing it to its limits, im just after a conservative gearing/timing setup that wont destroy the motor in 3 runs.
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Hi guys Just a question
I am running a x12 17.5 at the moment and it runs super fast
But i will be keeping this motor for nationals only
I bought a novak ballistic 17.5 left the same settings as the x12 and car was slow then i turned the motor timing to max and the motor came alive but to hot . i then turned the motor timing back to zero and went up on the speedo to timing 50 . The temp came down but not as good as before
My question : Where is the best place to add timing, on the motor or on the speedo. And what is the timing on a ballistic at 0 deg i heard that the x12 is 30deg with a 4dot insert
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hi guys, after a starting point setup for a LRP X11 3.5 running an RS Pro on a large track with a 50m straight. have never run mod brushless before so a good starting point on gearing and timing advance etc. would be greatly appreciated. i have also been told that these motors are relatively fragile and crappy so im not to interested in pushing it to its limits, im just after a conservative gearing/timing setup that wont destroy the motor in 3 runs.
Randy posted a aetup for a 4,5T a few pages back. I tried it and it works great. Lower the boost a bit abd gear a bid lighter.
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I think that a 3,5 will be overkill.

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Hi guys Just a question
I am running a x12 17.5 at the moment and it runs super fast
But i will be keeping this motor for nationals only
I bought a novak ballistic 17.5 left the same settings as the x12 and car was slow then i turned the motor timing to max and the motor came alive but to hot . i then turned the motor timing back to zero and went up on the speedo to timing 50 . The temp came down but not as good as before
My question : Where is the best place to add timing, on the motor or on the speedo. And what is the timing on a ballistic at 0 deg i heard that the x12 is 30deg with a 4dot insert
Thanks in advance
comebine the motor timing and the speedo timing.
what do you miss with the motor on 0 timing?
post also your setup.




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Spot 1 till 3 were after qualyfication for the 3 Tekin drivers. (2 Tekin drivers and 1 that used my second speedo)
He was first using a Speedpassion but he came power to short so he asked iff he could use my speedo.

The finals were again Tekin all the way. First head 1, 2 and 4. the nr 2 driver made a mistake and he was after 3 laps 10th.
He drove back to 4th and almost 3rd place.
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Last final I put my self ad the back of the starting grid. I won all races so I'm nr 1 overall. notting to loose.
I became 3rd. The other 2 Tekin drivers lapt me almost.
again Tekin 1, 2 and 3.
The nr 4 and 5 were normally my biggest rivals but with a GM and a LRP speedo they are no match any more. They are ordering now a Tekin RS speedo.

This was my setup.
Boost 50
Turbo 7 delay 0 ramp 2
Start RPM ~7000
End RPM 10000
Throttle profile 5
Throttle min 15
Brake 80
Brake min 10
neutral with 0
motor timing 4 (tekin redline 13,5)
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I used my tekin rs pro today at my local race meeting, very happy with the controller. It had good speed through the infield but lack some speed down the straight. Here are the settings I used for the final run, the motor was only 35C after 5 minute run!

Boost 35
Turbo 10
Ramp 2 with 0.12 delay
Start 4748 and finish 13009
Motor X12 with 0000 insert
Gearing 8.01
Carpet Track 30m by 15m

Can somebody offer a little more advice how I can improve the speed down the straight and a little more speed in the infield.

Thanks
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I used my tekin rs pro today at my local race meeting, very happy with the controller. It had good speed through the infield but lack some speed down the straight. Here are the settings I used for the final run, the motor was only 35C after 5 minute run!

Boost 35
Turbo 10
Ramp 2 with 0.12 delay
Start 4748 and finish 13009
Motor X12 with 0000 insert
Gearing 8.01
Carpet Track 30m by 15m

Can somebody offer a little more advice how I can improve the speed down the straight and a little more speed in the infield.

Thanks
Your FDR is quite high, 7.5 is more typical at our track (also 30 x 15) and you can probably go Boost 40 or 45 as you are currently running very cool. Both will help with top end speed.
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Can carpet static cause issues with the Tekin? Meaning 1,2, 6,7 lights.
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