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Old 07-21-2010, 01:07 AM   #15676
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need some advice of 13.5 speedpassion v3 with tekin rs pro.
my friend is complaining that his x ray t3 dont have enough punch for infield.
any good starting point?
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Old 07-21-2010, 01:12 AM   #15677
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Aside from all of the prgoramming possibilities, punch (or acceleration if you want) and top-end speed are fairly exclusive. Lower one to increase the other. If you have less motor timing, you will have more punch at the expense of top speed. Or, you can narrow the boost range on your timing. Another option is to increase the gear ratio.
No right or wrong answer, every driver, track, and car is different, so just work with the guidelines people give, don't rely on absolute numbers.
Don't know if that helps.....
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Old 07-21-2010, 07:26 AM   #15678
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Unlike drag brakes, Push is only active for so long after you return to neutral. How long is calculated based on how much time was spent accelerating and how much throttle was applied. Any push settings take priority over drag brakes, but once the calculated effect for push is over, your drag brake setting takes over; be it 0 or 100. Whether you could benefit from this softened transition from on power to brakes depends on your driving style.
Thank you for clearing that up for me. When I first posted my request to have both push & drag brake on the same slider I was assuming that both would be active at the same time.
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Anyone there using a speedpassion v3.0 17.5 , need a good starting point (FDR), BTW it's for a Tamiya 416WE
Which track are you talking about? Your indoor track or outdoor track.
Chi Chi I can give you a good ballpark figure to start from Ask me at the track what FDR I am running. I don't know off the top of my head. GET 2 the TRACK dude!

Indoor carpet:
push: 0
timing: 40
turbo: 0
RPM: 5000, 1300

Outdoor asphalt
Push: 0ff
timing: 40
turbo: 15 delay: .5
RPM: 6000, 800
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Old 07-21-2010, 07:43 AM   #15680
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Hi guys
I'm looking for more linear (smooth) power delivery how can I manage that because at the moment car has too much wheel spin...
Throttle profiles or start/end rpm controls that punch?
Thanx
P.s it's on med/high carpet and really small track 13.5t ballistic motor...
My end rpm around 10000...
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Hi guys
I'm looking for more linear (smooth) power delivery how can I manage that because at the moment car has too much wheel spin...
Throttle profiles or start/end rpm controls that punch?
Thanx
P.s it's on med/high carpet and really small track 13.5t ballistic motor...
My end rpm around 10000...
Start at around 5,000 with an end of ~20,000. Lower your throttle profile as well. 10,000 is way too low of an end for a 13.5.
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Old 07-21-2010, 10:30 AM   #15682
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Which track are you talking about? Your indoor track or outdoor track.
Chi Chi I can give you a good ballpark figure to start from Ask me at the track what FDR I am running. I don't know off the top of my head. GET 2 the TRACK dude!

Indoor carpet:
push: 0
timing: 40
turbo: 0
RPM: 5000, 1300

Outdoor asphalt
Push: 0ff
timing: 40
turbo: 15 delay: .5
RPM: 6000, 800
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Should have just asked you when I spoked with you over the phone. It's probably going to be for the carpet track.
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it may help, thanks jr007

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Aside from all of the prgoramming possibilities, punch (or acceleration if you want) and top-end speed are fairly exclusive. Lower one to increase the other. If you have less motor timing, you will have more punch at the expense of top speed. Or, you can narrow the boost range on your timing. Another option is to increase the gear ratio.
No right or wrong answer, every driver, track, and car is different, so just work with the guidelines people give, don't rely on absolute numbers.
Don't know if that helps.....
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Old 07-22-2010, 08:21 AM   #15684
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Hi guys, i'm after a little more punch/rip out of the corners. I'm running on a small technical carpet track using an Xray 009 with the 38t pulleys, Novak ballistic 13.5t and an fdr of 7.42. On the straight i can hold my own with the Speed passion users but infield i'm left behind. I'm running an RS with v203 using the following settings.
DB 40
RS 100
BS 100
NW 10
MT BL-FW
TP 5
VC 2
PC OFF
TIMING BOOST 50 - Go Max
TURBO BOOst MAX
TURBO DELAY 0.1 - .o delay
TURBO RAMP 1.0 - 3.0 ramp
START RPM 2548 - around 4???
END RPM 8004 - 14500 end rpm
SENSORED TICKED
The endbell timing is set right back to the - sign. - Try some negative timing also. Novak has 30 degrees of timming stock.
Any pointers appreciated.

Just tried these settings and the rotor exploded lol, luckily i had a spare
Track is 24m x 12m by the way.
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Did it blow on the bench or the track? If the track did it have more bottom end?
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TIMING BOOST 50 - Go Max
TURBO BOOst MAX
TURBO DELAY 0.1 - .o delay
TURBO RAMP 1.0 - 3.0 ramp
START RPM 2548 - around 4???
END RPM 8004 - 14500 end rpm
SENSORED TICKED

You do realize that you're taking away your corner rip with all tha timing right? Max max and oh yeah max!?!?!?

Stop throwing timing at the setup to gain rip! You're throwing nearly 25 degrees of timing at the motor INSTANTLY with this setup! That's not going to help your cause. Ditch the 3.0 ramp rate, raise your start and end rpm together by around 4-5k rpm, and try to run your motor near 0 degrees on the can.
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Max max and oh yeah max!?!?!?
Come on Randy, you know as well as I do that if a little is good, more is even better
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TIMING BOOST 50
TURBO BOOst MAX
TURBO DELAY .o delay
TURBO RAMP3.0 ramp
START RPM around 4???
END RPM 14500 end rpm
Running those settings, is like trying to drive around town never leaving 5th gear in your car... just not going to work. Try this:

Endbell timing - 0
TIMING BOOST 45
TURBO BOOst 10
TURBO DELAY .5 delay
TURBO RAMP 1.0 ramp
START RPM around 5000
END RPM 18000
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TIMING BOOST 50 - Go Max
TURBO BOOst MAX
TURBO DELAY 0.1 - .o delay
TURBO RAMP 1.0 - 3.0 ramp
START RPM 2548 - around 4???
END RPM 8004 - 14500 end rpm
SENSORED TICKED

You do realize that you're taking away your corner rip with all tha timing right? Max max and oh yeah max!?!?!?

Stop throwing timing at the setup to gain rip! You're throwing nearly 25 degrees of timing at the motor INSTANTLY with this setup! That's not going to help your cause. Ditch the 3.0 ramp rate, raise your start and end rpm together by around 4-5k rpm, and try to run your motor near 0 degrees on the can.
I found this a few pages back to but wasn't sure if it was directed at me.

You should not be running 3.0 ramp rate on a track this short. Your end rpm is too low and this is causing your setup to bog down. On top of that your delay should not be this low with a start rpm as low as you have it set.

If you're going to run a delay in the 0 to .2 range your start rpm should be up around 5k. Understand that coming into the tightest 180 turn the rpms are still in the 3k range give or take. So running it lower than that serves no purpose.

I'd try a start around 5k, end around 15k , .1 delay , 10 turbo, 45 boost and find your gearing FIRST! This needs to be geared for the infield mostly. Then if you want to creep torwards max you can. Funny thing is that I've NEVER found a reason to run MAX anything and I still can lay the smack down in my stock classes.

If your gearing is right NO amount of esc tuning will help you.

That's the trouble with the internet people say different things and are often wrong. My original settings came from the Team Tekin forums but were for a 10.5t, the MAX MAX MAX settings were from a few pages back in this thread. I'm trying to learn the effects of the settings and hope to now i've decided to stick with 13.5t.

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Running those settings, is like trying to drive around town never leaving 5th gear in your car... just not going to work. Try this:

Endbell timing - 0
TIMING BOOST 45
TURBO BOOst 10
TURBO DELAY .5 delay
TURBO RAMP 1.0 ramp
START RPM around 5000
END RPM 18000
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