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Old 06-17-2010, 11:45 AM   #15181
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There should be no reason to go over 60 and cleary you've proven it with the statement that you blow up motors.

The reason why in 1/12 you can get over this figure without constant failure is that it's 1s. If you were to run those settings in 2s you'd blow motors much more frequently.

That "don't go over 60" statement has been made by me a few times, and I stick by it. THere should be no reason to go that high.
ok. Just giving another opinion...

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Thanks sidecarphil1 !!!
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There should be no reason to go over 60 and cleary you've proven it with the statement that you blow up motors.

The reason why in 1/12 you can get over this figure without constant failure is that it's 1s. If you were to run those settings in 2s you'd blow motors much more frequently.

That "don't go over 60" statement has been made by me a few times, and I stick by it. THere should be no reason to go that high.
ok , i am only sharing my set up , if you think it is getting too warm then dont try it but i see differant on my track and i am happy with the set up
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Old 06-17-2010, 01:02 PM   #15184
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Personally i dont think i will ever try that much timing, but i know of some that do. I refuse to burn up motors and speedos in an attempt to be the fastest guy... especially at a local level. Just keep in mind that each car/speedo/driving style will change if a setup works or not. There are too many variables involved to say that much timing is ultimately bad, but i think Randy is just trying to give a safe limit to observe.

One of our responsibilities as racers is to push the envelope of both the cars and the hardware/software in them. Just realize that its at our own risk.
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Old 06-17-2010, 01:36 PM   #15185
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Personally i dont think i will ever try that much timing, but i know of some that do. I refuse to burn up motors and speedos in an attempt to be the fastest guy... especially at a local level. Just keep in mind that each car/speedo/driving style will change if a setup works or not. There are too many variables involved to say that much timing is ultimately bad, but i think Randy is just trying to give a safe limit to observe.

One of our responsibilities as racers is to push the envelope of both the cars and the hardware/software in them. Just realize that its at our own risk.
I agree completely with everything you said.

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Old 06-17-2010, 02:21 PM   #15186
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There should be no reason to go over 60 and cleary you've proven it with the statement that you blow up motors.

The reason why in 1/12 you can get over this figure without constant failure is that it's 1s. If you were to run those settings in 2s you'd blow motors much more frequently.

That "don't go over 60" statement has been made by me a few times, and I stick by it. THere should be no reason to go that high.
i have to agree, i lowered mine to around 60-62 with better results all around the power band and lower temps by 40* on a track with 140+ and 100* air temp
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Old 06-17-2010, 02:26 PM   #15187
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if any one would like to see a MOD TC wheelie on a straight,it is kinda hard to see but this was the second run,the first run it flipped over

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ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed.
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Thats nuts. I would imagine air under the nose had to help to some degree... but still.
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Old 06-17-2010, 05:27 PM   #15189
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yeah it was,the next day half the 13.5 class ran mod it was a site to see some mod run.

i was doing some low acceleration in my hand to see where rpm starts 2-3k 1/4 throttle 5-7k is half throttle 8-10k 3/4 throttle or just before full throttle it kind of gives you an idea where timing is being applied,you can visualize you car as it moves,randy has said 1k is a walking pace.this may be useful it may not
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that wheelie is just amazing. I thought it was going to be some random freak accident that happened one time, but he was able to do it back to back.

Did they do anything to "help" the car wheelie?
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yeah,sensored mode
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if any one would like to see a MOD TC wheelie on a straight,it is kinda hard to see but this was the second run,the first run it flipped over
There was a stage a few clubs tried to prolong the life of 235mm Circuit cars... a totally amazing class in my view... by running them using sedan bodies and these would lift the front wheels quite noticeably when they changed into 2nd gear... awesome to see... makes me wish I had a video camera in those days
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yeah,sensored mode
I'd love to see the setup/motor/gearing etc. Have you run it 6 minutes successfully with that set up?
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I'd love to see the setup/motor/gearing etc. Have you run it 6 minutes successfully with that set up?
It wasn't his car, but here is what I know about the setup:

4.0t brushless
30 timing boost
15 turbo
10,000-30,000 RPM range
the car had wheel spin any time throttle was applied even gently
ran for about 8 minutes, temps were 150-160* F.

He was only about 20% throttle most of the track, and on that first lap in the video when he goes WOT on the back straight it was only for a split second. The car was literally pulling wheelies and it had multiple blow-overs.
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It wasn't his car, but here is what I know about the setup:

4.0t brushless
30 timing boost
15 turbo
10,000-30,000 RPM range
the car had wheel spin any time throttle was applied even gently
ran for about 8 minutes, temps were 150-160* F.

He was only about 20% throttle most of the track, and on that first lap in the video when he goes WOT on the back straight it was only for a split second. The car was literally pulling wheelies and it had multiple blow-overs.
Did he have that little box checked for "Wheelie Mode"?
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