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Old 04-10-2008, 07:52 PM   #91
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I agree with what John Tag wrote. After all, what exactly is the purpose of 19T to begin with? Is it for those that are better than stock, but not good enough for mod?

Maybe it's time to add in a stock rubber class!
What pre-mounted handout tire would be the drivers choice?
I agree too many classes anymore at most races when less is what's needed but I know if some people had thier way it be 400 classes and 1 driver in each everyone wins the A main and your done lol.
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Why not be the first race with spec foam tires? The novak was the first with all brushless. Even if you went spec for 19t and stock, it would be a great way to separate from the other races.
I love this idea I am going to kick this around some.
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actually roar is $80 bucks for every class and no handouts at all for any class
I believe so was snowbirds. I don't know if anyone else other then jaco that makes rubber tires I know rp30's were popular for a bit but I don't think you can get them anymore.
$80 is entirely too much money and factor in no handout motor. Insane. The costs are getting out of control.

Sorex, Much More, Speedmind are all options for rubber tires. My point was that if Jaco was the handout for rubber and foam. That would not be good for the hobby. Parma, BSR, CRC, and many others would suffer tremendously from loss of sales. Even leading up to the race you would have to run whatever the handout foam was going to be. Results in more loss of sales.

I think the handout foam tire is good in theory, but will do more harm than good.

12th masters - 17.5/27t (ROAR approved)
12th stock - 17.5/27t (ROAR approved)
12th modified - ROAR approved brushed and brushless

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tc stock - 17.5/27t (ROAR approved)
tc super stock - 10.5/19t (ROAR approved)
tc modified - ROAR approved brushed and brushless

rubber tc - 13.5 bl
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pro 10 - 4 cell and 13.5 bl
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I love this idea I am going to kick this around some.
Maybe do it for "stock" only.
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Maybe do it for "stock" only.
I like the idea seems good on paper but then again I know alot of football teams that look good on paper but are horrible lol.

and as far as classes go mr.bill and I and some of the race crew are talking about all this now.We will have this all put to rest here shortly.
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12th masters - 17.5/27t (ROAR approved)
12th stock - 17.5/27t (ROAR approved)
12th modified - ROAR approved brushed and brushless

FOAM:
tc stock - 17.5/27t (ROAR approved)
tc super stock - 10.5/19t (ROAR approved)
tc modified - ROAR approved brushed and brushless

13.5 bl rubber or 13.5 bl pro 10, but not both.

Pro-10 class, would 4 cell be the best choice????
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Pro-10 class, would 4 cell be the best choice????
Absolutely. This should be very appealing to the 12th scale only crowd. Might draw some more entries.
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So you need to drop one class to add Pro 10. I would just like to see a stock rubber tires class; I bet you would have just as many entries as stock foam would. From seeing the entries at Vegas and Snowbirds they have to be on to something right..

Have you guys thought about dropping the 19T class? My first year at Clv was 01 and you could either run stock mod or masters, sedan or 12th. And the house was packed..
We had well over 400 entries last year, the house was still packed.

I guess everybody forgets that 19t was added because everybody begged for it. Now everybody wants to run rubber TC, so now the plan everybody wants to adopt is "screw 19t, let's run rubber sedan". I say dump 19t sedan, and trade it for 13.5, lipo, rubber TC. It won't matter, the same people will still piss and moan when the race is over. We'll hear that the handout tire sucked, or the layout wasn't suitable for rubber tire blah, blah, blah.

Hopefully 10th pan will take off, TC will die, and we won't have this argument anymore.
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Absolutely. This should be very appealing to the 12th scale only crowd. Might draw some more entries.
I dunno, I think 17.5 6-cell or Lipo would be great in these cars, and I think that might appeal to the portion of the TC crowd that quit because of the growing expense involved in that class.
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Ohh, one more point. TC racers have no issue dropping $450 on a TC, and hundreds more on all the tuning crap associated with it, but the #1 expense in ANY motorsport the TC guys look at as unacceptable. I still don't get it, but that's why I run 12th scale.
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I dunno, I think 17.5 6-cell or Lipo would be great in these cars, and I think that might appeal to the portion of the TC crowd that quit because of the growing expense involved in that class.
lol like I said before 400 classes and 1 driver in each everyone wins the A main and your done

I think this all goes back to you just can't make everyone happy but will do the best that we can.
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Whats up Sobottka? school going well?

Ian... Yup thats why I like the champs 12th isn't the red headed step-child there LOL

To be fair I like touring too and as sad as it is to say I like rubber tire asphalt just b/c once you get your setup no checking ride height, droop, or truing tires and not worrying about rollout once you got it geared right. its the lazy mans touring car LOL
Oh not too much, starting to run a little again when I get the chance. The new Vegas dates are awesome for me, right before semester starts, so I am in for sure. School is going well, just sucks up all my time.
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Hate to disagree with you on that Ian, but 4-cell is what I think is the way to go for the Pro-10 class. My reasoning is simple.... since this is a 12th scale majority race, 4 cell packs would already be in their possession and wouldn't require any additional expense other than the car/body & tires. Plus, I think that most of the TC crowd that quit, went to 12th scale.

See where I'm coming from??
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bill I'd like to run 12th scale with square tires, a 3.5 motor, 5 cells, and a nastruck body with a bilevel wing

sorry had to say it LOL

you guys figure out the classes and people will find one to race in...
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bill I'd like to run 12th scale with square tires, a 3.5 motor, 5 cells, and a nastruck body with a bilevel wing

sorry had to say it LOL

you guys figure out the classes and people will find one to race in...
You wanted those square tire to be rubber didn't you?!
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