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Old 04-20-2010, 02:52 PM   #1186
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I was running Turbo 2 with some timeshift to smooth the transition a bit. 8 i think on the Drive Profile and was running a 7.1 FD
I didn't get round to doing an actual temp check, but... I touched the motor as soon as i finished and it was warm at best.
The track was a high ish grip indoor track that was quite tight, but with a nice straight/sweeper where you could make some time up.
I originally had it on Turbo 1 and 6.8 FD
When i changed the Turbo and gearing it felt a lot more lively.

Just using Timeshift and no Turbo sounds on bench testing very slow. Not tried on track cause i didn't fancy getting blown away.

Oh and because i left my LED Setting Module at home on saturday, i had to use the button on the speedo. Took some getting used to, but once i'd done it a few times, not bad at all...

At a very big track in 2 weeks, hoping my new TC will be here as well, but may well be my Schumachers swan song. Can't wait to see it down the straights and through the infield with the speedo. It's a quick track and should really show any failings up.

Sorry it sounded like you had a beta version of the firmware... I thought you were talking about that...

If your motor is hardly getting warm then twin turbo and a slightly higher FDR will give you more power and speed. I personally only use the setting box when I update firmware. I then leave it plugged in and throw in all the initial settings at the ESC then the box goes into my pit bag. I don't mind using the ESC button to change settings as while it is a little slower for changing multiple settings it is faster when only changing one setting and I can do it anywhere very quickly even on the side of the track. I am going to suggest to Team Wave that when the new firmware is complete, the way of setting it should be reviewed. I think that rather than counting around in circles, you just press the button the number of times you want the setting to be. It will make some changes longer like turbo 8 to turbo 9 means you press the button 9 times instead of 1 however you can go backwards easier and it requires less thinking when you are in a hurry.

On the big track you will be racing on it is more than likely you will lack top end against well setup ESC's like the Tekin's and LRP's. That is the reason why Team Wave is developing new software to bridge the current gap and hopefully set a new standard for the likes of Tekin and LRP to catch.
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Old 04-21-2010, 09:02 AM   #1187
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Considering the focus of this software is racing it may be possible that some sort of glitch is present when using reverse. I suggest you try turning it off (setting 9-1) and see if that solves the problem.
I tried three different sensor cables (80mm,100mm, 200mm) and it didn't helped.
Then tried turning off reverse as you recommended and BINGO, kicks and delays are away.
Since I really need reverse in my rally car I'll stay with v1.2a firmware in it.
So I'll go with v1.3a only in my touring car with reverse disabled.

Thanks and looking forward for new FW release ;-)
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I tried three different sensor cables (80mm,100mm, 200mm) and it didn't helped.
Then tried turning off reverse as you recommended and BINGO, kicks and delays are away.
Since I really need reverse in my rally car I'll stay with v1.2a firmware in it.
So I'll go with v1.3a only in my touring car with reverse disabled.

Thanks and looking forward for new FW release ;-)
Nice to hear it was an easy fix. Its funny how you fix one problem and then it sometimes it creates another. At least so far I haven't had any funny issues with the beta software so at least we know no one will be having cogging issues like the LRP's...
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Old 04-21-2010, 03:55 PM   #1189
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I have an early RB30 and also the handheld programmer.
Firmware upgrades are a bonus but I start to get confused with versions.
A LOG with all versions and changes made on it will be desirable.
Also previous versions available to download in case you need to go back.
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:26 AM   #1190
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I have an early RB30 and also the handheld programmer.
Firmware upgrades are a bonus but I start to get confused with versions.
A LOG with all versions and changes made on it will be desirable.
Also previous versions available to download in case you need to go back.
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It's not really going to matter soon cause the new software will be tonnes faster and everyone who races will be updating to it.
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Old 04-23-2010, 04:38 AM   #1191
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It's not really going to matter soon cause the new software will be tonnes faster and everyone who races will be updating to it.
Ciao Dragonfire, when do you think that this update will be relised?, next week end here in Italy will be held the practice of 2nd round of the Italian championship and i need a very fast car for a fast track.

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Old 04-29-2010, 09:24 PM   #1193
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We are almost in the final stage in testing new firmware, we are now fine-tunning some parameters and we will attend some race events before it release.
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Old 04-30-2010, 12:33 AM   #1194
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Is there any news on the speedo for 12th scale yet?
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Old 04-30-2010, 03:41 AM   #1195
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We are almost in the final stage in testing new firmware, we are now fine-tunning some parameters and we will attend some race events before it release.
Yes it is coming along very nicely now. Had a run against a well setup Tekin system 21.5 setup just the other day. I was able to go blow for blow with it without maximum settings. considering the slower motors have generally been the RB ESC biggest weakness I was very happy with the perofrmance. We just need to sort out the final setting structure so its nice and easy to use.
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Old 04-30-2010, 05:59 PM   #1196
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Great news about the upcoming updrages!

I'm a new user and had my first outing last week with the RB-S (with LRP X11 17.5 Motor). FDR 6.18 with rollout of approx 30mm. I race in Australia, on carpet (foam tyres) which I believe would be described as Medium grip. (Low grip compared to US carpet, but high grip compared to Ashphalt/Rubber tyres - apparantly)

Anyway, our track is tight and technical with about a 25m straight. I started of with I believe low settings:

Turbo x 1, TimeShift - 5, Drive - 6: I was SLOW. Motor only at 100F
Increased to: Turbo x 1, TimeShift - 5, Drive - 7: A bit quicker but still driven past easily down the straight.
Increased to: Turbo x 1, TimeShift - 6, Drive - 8:A bit quicker but still driven past easily down the straight.
Then Increased to: Turbo x 2, TimeShift - 7, Drive - 8: Motor up to 144F - I was certainly a lot quicker, holding my own, but as I didn't qualify for the A final I couldn't compare myself to the top guys.

Does this sound right? Cranking all the settings up to the max before I can be competitive, or am I using the settings wrong? Higher rollout/Lower Timeshift. Being an indoor Carpet track that is only open on race nights, it is hard to get in lots of practise.......

If it is normal, do I just have to hope for the upgrades to be competiive with the Tekins at our track?

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Old 04-30-2010, 07:54 PM   #1197
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Great news about the upcoming updrages!

I'm a new user and had my first outing last week with the RB-S (with LRP X11 17.5 Motor). FDR 6.18 with rollout of approx 30mm. I race in Australia, on carpet (foam tyres) which I believe would be described as Medium grip. (Low grip compared to US carpet, but high grip compared to Ashphalt/Rubber tyres - apparantly)

Anyway, our track is tight and technical with about a 25m straight. I started of with I believe low settings:

Turbo x 1, TimeShift - 5, Drive - 6: I was SLOW. Motor only at 100F
Increased to: Turbo x 1, TimeShift - 5, Drive - 7: A bit quicker but still driven past easily down the straight.
Increased to: Turbo x 1, TimeShift - 6, Drive - 8:A bit quicker but still driven past easily down the straight.
Then Increased to: Turbo x 2, TimeShift - 7, Drive - 8: Motor up to 144F - I was certainly a lot quicker, holding my own, but as I didn't qualify for the A final I couldn't compare myself to the top guys.

Does this sound right? Cranking all the settings up to the max before I can be competitive, or am I using the settings wrong? Higher rollout/Lower Timeshift. Being an indoor Carpet track that is only open on race nights, it is hard to get in lots of practise.......

If it is normal, do I just have to hope for the upgrades to be competiive with the Tekins at our track?
Cheers Ian.
Against the likes of Tekin and similar the standard turbo or twin turbo software will lose out in speed but gain a little in power. The smaller the track the better it goes. This is why the new software is being developed. I have been talking to TW and asking if it is possible to get a beta release for the public. If this happens it will not be a final version but will allow you to start playing with the new system.

Currently there are two changes in the new software and they are the timeshift system and the turbo system. The new timeshift system uses two settings, one for the timing increase and the other adjusts how fast the timing advances. This is more or less the same thing that companies like LRP and Castle creations developed and of course Tekin copied and made some small improvements. The timeshift system will allow you to tune how the power develops in the infield balancing torque and speed. The new timeshift system is radically better than previously and with larger motors or small tracks you will not even need turbo. The new turbo system is very different from the current setup. Turbo now no longer cuts in at full throttle but at a defined speed. The new turbo system is specifically for top end speed in a straight line. It also uses two settings, one for stregth and the other for the speed you want it to apply from. So dar I have yet to find a track that even a 21.5t doesn't accelerate fast the entire length of the straight. One great feature of the new software is that it feels slow... While this sounds wrong it is actually a good thing. The acceleration is extremly smooth from a standing start up to top speed. There are new sudden bursts or anything unpredictable and better yet the brakes and extremly responsive. Hopefully you will all get to play with it real soon.
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Against the likes of Tekin and similar the standard turbo or twin turbo software will lose out in speed but gain a little in power. The smaller the track the better it goes. This is why the new software is being developed. I have been talking to TW and asking if it is possible to get a beta release for the public. If this happens it will not be a final version but will allow you to start playing with the new system.
Thanks. With the settings I mentioned, I was probably holding my own in the infield, but stil losing down the straight, as you say.

Would the settings I have (ie: everything maxxed out to maximum numbers) be appropriate, or am I about to cook the Motor and ESC?

Still trying to come to terms with exactly what each setting does for me
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Thanks. With the settings I mentioned, I was probably holding my own in the infield, but stil losing down the straight, as you say.

Would the settings I have (ie: everything maxxed out to maximum numbers) be appropriate, or am I about to cook the Motor and ESC?

Still trying to come to terms with exactly what each setting does for me
Of the three settings you have played with the biggest change is turbo. The turbo system on the current system forces more power through the motor giving both more torque and top end. It was a good system when it was made producing more power from the same motors but the weakness is heat. As it heats up the motor alot you have to limit your gearing which then limits your speed. The Timeshift system allows you to tune and move the timeing on the motor even if it is not adjustable. This allows you to swap out torque for speed or vice versa but the turbo system tends to override this effect so its more of a "feel" adjustment unless you don't use turbo. The throttle profile is the same as adjusting the throttle curve or expo on your radio. It adjusts how much the ESC reactes to each throttle position. In its self it won't change the performance of the motor but it will change the feel of the throttle around the track. Sometimes this helps.
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Does anyone have any experience with what the RBS actually does when the speedo hits the temp setpoint? I have it set at 110degC and was flying (ok, not as quick on the straight as the GM guys) but i was up to 2nd in the B final and then.....the speedo seemed to loose power, my lap times were around 18 seconds for the first 12 laps then the car slowed, it seemed to be ok when the revs built up but there was no power pulling out of corners, I had three 21 second laps and then everything seemed to come back together and the last 2 laps were back at 18seconds.

The manual says that if triggered the throttle will limit to allow driver to move car to safe area but I would have thought the loss of power would be more pronounced that it actually was.

It is probable the speedo was hot (like a pecker, I unplugged the battery to go marshal without looking for a red light!) as everything was turned right up to try keep up with the GM cars.

Still looking forward to new firmware! Hopefully in the next 2 weeks before the UK MuchMore GP please please please!

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