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Old 11-20-2010, 02:49 PM   #1681
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I`m sorry it reminds you of work
Do the two of you work at Atlas Copco?
I work at Atlas Copco Energas in Cologne, Germany
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I work at Atlas Copco Energas in Cologne, Germany
No i don`t work there i have been working on the road compressors for the past 20 years
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Old 11-20-2010, 07:50 PM   #1683
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P2 Timeshift ramp is RPM dependent. The higher the value, the shorter RPM range is allowed for the timing ramp up.

P4 is turbo ramp, delay 0.1s to delay 0.3s. If you are running track with long straight or your motor temp is too high, you can than increase the delay.
Turbo ramp is the rate to ramp to maximum timing like timeshift ramp. Higher value is more useful for faster motor.
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P2 Timeshift ramp is RPM dependent. The higher the value, the shorter RPM range is allowed for the timing ramp up.

P4 is turbo ramp, delay 0.1s to delay 0.3s. If you are running track with long straight or your motor temp is too high, you can than increase the delay.
Turbo ramp is the rate to ramp to maximum timing like timeshift ramp. Higher value is more useful for faster motor.
P4 Value 1
Value 2
Value 3
These all have a 0.1s set to them, I would like to know what benefit this setting has
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Hello Simon,

Page 4 is the Turbo ramp and Delay. Delay 0.1s means turbo will start to
kick in after 0.1s of full throttle applied. Ramp is the time needed to
reach the maximum preset turbo. The higher the ramp, the faster the
turbo reach its maximum.

So my understanding is that

1, 0.1 delay after full throttle then slow ramp to the top speed determined by your P3 setting
2, 0.1 delay after full throttle then medium ramp to the top speed determined by your P3 setting
3, 0.1 delay after full throttle then fast ramp to the top speed determined by your P3 setting

and same for 4,5,6 but with 0.2 second delay
and same for 7,8,9 but with 0.3 second delay

On Thursday night I played about with this setting and you could feel the above changes.

Perhaps Max can clarify if the above is not correct.

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Hello Simon,

Page 4 is the Turbo ramp and Delay. Delay 0.1s means turbo will start to
kick in after 0.1s of full throttle applied. Ramp is the time needed to
reach the maximum preset turbo. The higher the ramp, the faster the
turbo reach its maximum.

So my understanding is that

1, 0.1 delay after full throttle then slow ramp to the top speed determined by your P3 setting
2, 0.1 delay after full throttle then medium ramp to the top speed determined by your P3 setting
3, 0.1 delay after full throttle then fast ramp to the top speed determined by your P3 setting

and same for 4,5,6 but with 0.2 second delay
and same for 7,8,9 but with 0.3 second delay

On Thursday night I played about with this setting and you could feel the above changes.

Perhaps Max can clarify if the above is not correct.

Jason
Thanks Jason
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Hello Simon,

Page 4 is the Turbo ramp and Delay. Delay 0.1s means turbo will start to
kick in after 0.1s of full throttle applied. Ramp is the time needed to
reach the maximum preset turbo. The higher the ramp, the faster the
turbo reach its maximum.

So my understanding is that

1, 0.1 delay after full throttle then slow ramp to the top speed determined by your P3 setting
2, 0.1 delay after full throttle then medium ramp to the top speed determined by your P3 setting
3, 0.1 delay after full throttle then fast ramp to the top speed determined by your P3 setting

and same for 4,5,6 but with 0.2 second delay
and same for 7,8,9 but with 0.3 second delay

On Thursday night I played about with this setting and you could feel the above changes.

Perhaps Max can clarify if the above is not correct.

Jason
Thats a awesome description, you should write their setup sheet for them on the rest of the option settings.
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Old 11-22-2010, 11:09 AM   #1688
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Thats a awesome description, you should write their setup sheet for them on the rest of the option settings.
Its very simple once you know what the settings do
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Hi Max and all

what's the diff between 2.10c and 2.10e please?

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Old 11-23-2010, 06:27 AM   #1690
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Perhaps this could be the start of an instruction sheet

Text in bold came from Max at Team Wave

Page 1 is Timeshift, it affect the whole range of motor timing.
Amount of motor advance you want from your motor, similar to advancing the timing on the end of your motor

Page 2 is Timeshift gain, which is the power band of the motor timing defined in page 1.
How quickly your motor will ramp up to your number 1 setting.

Page 3 is Turbo which is the added motor timing when full throttle is triggered
Additional timing boost, the higher the number the more added timing, at a delay and ramp up determined by setting 4.

Page 4 is the Turbo ramp and Delay. Delay 0.1s means turbo will start to
kick in after 0.1s of full throttle applied. Ramp is the time needed to
reach the maximum preset turbo. The higher the ramp, the faster the
turbo reach its maximum.

1, 0.1 delay after full throttle then slow ramp to the top speed determined by your P3 setting
2, 0.1 delay after full throttle then medium ramp to the top speed determined by your P3 setting
3, 0.1 delay after full throttle then fast ramp to the top speed determined by your P3 setting

and same for 4,5,6 but with 0.2 second delay
and same for 7,8,9 but with 0.3 second delay

Page 5 is Drive profile, which is similar to throttle curve, higher
value means more punch.

Not played about with this much.

Page 6 is Neutral Brake (version d and e firmware)
0%,4%,8%,12%,16%,20%,24%,28%,32%


Image of the profile from the above data

RBS.bmp

But this is all from how I understand the ESC to work.

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Old 11-27-2010, 02:32 AM   #1691
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Hi all, just wondered what all you guys are running motor wise? I run 13.5 but have been testing 21.5 at my local club as a new control motor.....I have spoken to others running 21.5 and they keep their settings the same and alter gearing....

Any thoughts welcome :-)
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:09 AM   #1692
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MORE... testing tonight with the 21.5... lets hope I have more luck this week

Had 45c and slow.. or quick for 5 laps and 90c!!! me thinks somewhere in beteeen would be nice hehehe

Will tell you all how it goes tomorrow!!
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Old 12-01-2010, 01:30 AM   #1693
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eureka moment....

After a lot of testing I have managed to get my Teamwave 21.5 at a good pace and cool!!

not sure how many of you run 21.5 but here are my settings

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after messing around with gearing, trying to kick the settings into action, I had a re think.. I turned the turbo right off, and geared up 2 x 48dp pinions... what a difference!

I was faster out of the corners than the 17.5 and it only started to catch me at Ύ of the striaght. I even managed to keep up and slightly catch a 13.5 turbo Tekin!!... although it was a different story down the straight hehehehe

REALLY pleased with the settings, and managed to come off at 50c... same as I was coming off with my 13.5, so I think the settings are there abouts now.

If anyone had any questions, fire away, I am always glad to help


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I have been running 21.5 DUO 2 with a FDR of 4.3 (Roll out around 39) on carpet. I have been running on a small technical track with a straight of only about 20 meters (around 60 ft) with a sweeper coming onto the straight.

I was running
1 – 8
2 – 9
3 – 1
4 - 1
5 – 6
Motor comes of around 75 C and seems to go ok, while my driving doesn’t allow it, the car would match the Tekins quiet easily in the right hands.

But last night, the track was larger, around a 30 meter straight and a quicker in field. The above settings seemed fine during the first run, but I thought I would try the turbo. No idea what to set it too, so I had a play. I tried

1 – 7
2 – 8
3 – 5
4 – 3
5 – 7

Same FDR (4.3) but the car felt sluggish and motor can off hotter at 90 C. Time wise, there was not a lot in it compared to the non-turbo settings above I used in the first run. (My average lap time was within a tenth)

Still searching, I them tried
1 – 5
2 – 8
3 – 7
4 – 3
5 – 7
Motor came off at 66 C and the car felt faster on the straight, but time wise my average lap time was actually a tenth down on the previous settings and out of the corners, the Tekins were killing me, I had no get up out of the corners.

While I thought I made some significant setting changes... nothing really happened lap time wise, with the times very similar. The fastest lap times (just) came with the non-turbo settings I tried originally.

Any advice on my settings or a ‘try this’ would be much appreciated. I was under the impression I need the FDR down around 4 ish... may that be the problem....
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Hi there jsr555.... nice to see some more people shareing their settings and thoughts!!

I have been struggling to find the sweetspot on the 21.5 at the moment as I also felt the care to be guttless with the turbo on. I am thinking that the motor was not reving enough to notice it.

As prev mentioned the turbo 0.1 etc comes in when your motor hits full RPM so maybe your car was not hitting it???

I also found it gained a lot of heat till I turned my settings down and geared up. Next week I might try going up one more pinion and seeing if that effects things, I am guessing more heat, but till you try these things you really never know. I have found the Time Shift Gain makes a BIG difference with the heat, so always worth turning that down a little before much else if temp is a problem.

What was your driver profile set on? 5?? I am currently on 2 as I found that also gained a fair amount of heat when I was struggling getting my temps down

All good fun isnt it!!
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