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Old 03-24-2008, 10:10 AM   #1
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Default And then there were 4 (Roar Approved Stock Brushless)

So now ROAR has approved 4 Stock and Super Stock Brushless Motors.

Novak
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Losi
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All in both 13.5 (super stock) and 17.5 (stock).

The debate is:

Will there be one of the above approved motors that will be dominate or faster in the class. (ie. as there is several ROAR approved stock motors but everyone runs the C027)
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Old 03-24-2008, 10:20 AM   #2
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There is no debate here. There will always be a perceived 'faster' motor no matter what you do, even within the same brand. Someone will figure out how to get reliable dyno numbers from brushless motors. As with all spec classes, people will always search out the best of the best and use it. You will have sponsored stock racers using certian equipment they are sponsored with claiming that it is faster than the rest, to help promote thier sponsor. The only thing that has changed is there is one more component that racers will promote when racing.
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The motors have a conditional approval at the moment. They will not be legal after 5/31/08. Unless they pass the new inductance specs.

It will not be so much as a motor war but a software one. The new Novak software that has variable timing gives any motor an advantage. You can see it on the track and feel the difference how the cars acceleration is. Yeah you can change the timing on the Speed Passion GT. But a variable algorithm will equal better power out of the corners and more top speed.
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So now ROAR has approved 4 Stock and Super Stock Brushless Motors.

Novak
LRP
Losi
Hacker

All in both 13.5 (super stock) and 17.5 (stock).

The debate is:

Will there be one of the above approved motors that will be dominate or faster in the class. (ie. as there is several ROAR approved stock motors but everyone runs the C027)
What's also interesting is that the biggest brushed stock motor maker isn't on that list yet.

I'd like to see a mixture but it seems like Novak has just been ahead of the pack in brushless in general. I have to give it to them...they have their act together. There will be a good 8 companies competing for this space. I hope the motors are fairly even...that would be best for all of us.
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What's also interesting is that the biggest brushed stock motor maker isn't on that list yet.
I doubt anyone has sold more 13.5 and 17.5 motors than Novak... so who would be the "biggest" ?
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I doubt anyone has sold more 13.5 and 17.5 motors than Novak... so who would be the "biggest" ?
He said the biggest BRUSHED stock motor maker, meaning Trinity.
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I doubt anyone has sold more 13.5 and 17.5 motors than Novak... so who would be the "biggest" ?
The biggest "brushed" stock maker...Trinity. They have fallen off of the brushless stock map. Not sure if they were ever on it to be honest. Novak is by far the leader in brushless racing.
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I would guess Trinity is working a deal to either buy or sign exclusive distribution for some brushless company now.
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I would guess Trinity is working a deal to either buy or sign exclusive distribution for some brushless company now.
I wonder where Losi's motors are sourced? Are they Feigao, or some mysterious 5th manufacturer? The new Orion's are a question mark, too.
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yeah, what happened with the orions?
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The motors have a conditional approval at the moment. They will not be legal after 5/31/08. Unless they pass the new inductance specs.

It will not be so much as a motor war but a software one. The new Novak software that has variable timing gives any motor an advantage. You can see it on the track and feel the difference how the cars acceleration is. Yeah you can change the timing on the Speed Passion GT. But a variable algorithm will equal better power out of the corners and more top speed.
Yes you can change the static timing on the GT, but if I am not mistaken, the GT also adjusts the timing in real time as you accelerate. This is an advantage of starting off under sensored operation, and then moving to sensorless operation, (which allows for the timing adjustment) once things get going . . .
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what about the the 10.5's???
are they now paperweights . . .lol
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A sensored ESC can vary motor timing, Andrew. The only reason not to is to make the firmware design quicker and cheaper.
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What's this talk of Novak developing a variable timing algorithm? It sounds kind of neat. I wonder if they'll disengage the sensors at high RPM too?
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If you can tell a diference in these motors on the track then you shouldn't be running stock. Mod racers don't start off running 6turn mods, they start w/ 15 turn mods & work their way up to those wicked fast motors.
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