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Old 03-13-2008, 11:02 PM   #16
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exactly. isnt it a moot point to "wonder" what 13.5 motors will be approved since 13.5s will be phased out by ROAR in 2009?

threads about ROAR approved 17.5s and 10.5s should be started

Very, Very wrong! 17.5 BL= Stock and 13.5 BL=Super Stock....10.5 BL will be open MOD...

Yes, Roar are IDIOTS!

But, since they have no clue how to offer classes in anyway. Email the tar out of them!

Since open mod is a near dead class, I see no reason why 3 classes wouldn't work....17.5, 13.5 and 10.5.......and lets have fun! 1 class entry per type of car! So you can enter a sedan class, a 1/12th scale class and a Pan car class! If you need to run more than 3 classes, find someone to help!
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Axiom's Brushless will soon come with Dyno results, for now what we have is the DUO's from Trinity, which we have been able to tweak and dyno results prove the tweaks work, so there is some difference, however these are not a huge difference and we are still working on more we can do to increase thier power "legally"
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Jakespeed, you got it all wrong ...

19T brush, 13.5 & 10.5 = superstock

27T brush & 17.5 = stock
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Old 03-14-2008, 09:39 AM   #19
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From the ROAR Rulebook:


If controlled motor event, stock participants may use any ROAR approved 27T brushed or 17.5 brushless motors. Super Stock class participants may use any ROAR approved 19T brushed or 10.5 brushless motors. (2009 Super Stock will be 13.5 BL only) All motors must be inspected by the ROAR RMT Technical staff prior to the start of qualifying. Participants will be limited to a maximum of 3 ROAR approved motors. All ROAR stock and super stock motor rules shall apply.
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I think that allowing 10.5 for one year is one of the lamest things that ROAR's done in a long time. It's the one step back for the 3 steps foreword that they made this year.

It sucks either way because you have groups that run both motors all over the states. The biggest problem that I have with the whole situation is that a bunch of people had to buy 10.5's for Nats (and regionals) so that they can throw them out next year.

10.5 isn't a good "superstock" motor and it's an even more worthless mod.

Good riddance to the 19T brushed motors though.
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Old 03-14-2008, 03:54 PM   #21
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13.5 will be strong for a few years. It is the middle ground between slow and fast. Most people don't want to go slow but can't handle fast. Dammit, I just realized that I'm a 13.5 driver

Yes the 10.5 is a lame duck. Ooo wow I its faster than a 13.5...so I have to buy it for any large event or tracks that run ROAR rules to be in competitive. Then in 9 months, the 10.5 pretty much a dead motor. IMO it should be 17.5 / 13.5 / OPEN MOD in 2009 and there after.

Better than what the 4-cell groups are going through. The switch from 4-cell to LiPO will make the 17.5 motor have faster laptimes than a 4-cell with 8.5 to 6.5 motors. Already the 21.5 motors on LiPO are faster than 4-cell 10.5's and the gearing on those are getting close to 1:1...

I feel that what ROAR has done with the 17.5 / 13.5 is a very good compromise that will lead to stability for the hobby for the comming years. Is this compromise perfect? no. The 4-cell Pan cars are left hanging as to how to deal with the changes in technology. The besolution for the 4-cell groups are to remain as-is untill a more suitable replacement is found or the supply of NiMH forces the change. I would hate for those groups to jump on a bandwagon heading for a cliff.
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Jakespeed, you got it all wrong ...

19T brush, 13.5 & 10.5 = superstock

27T brush & 17.5 = stock

LOL, for this years Nats yea thats kinda right!
13.5 BL is not in any rule stated by Roar! It was stated by someone that 13.5 and 19t and 10.5 would be superstock! but thats not true! 10.5 and 19t will run together this year in what is called super stock! But, next year everything changes! Why Roar didn't just make rules for 17.5, 13.5 and 10.5 classes is beyond me!


2009 stock is 17.5... super stock is 13.5....the 10.5 motor will be a open mod motor!!!!

If you don't believe go to the Roar web site and look at the approved Motor list!!!!!!
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It sucks either way because you have groups that run both motors all over the states. The biggest problem that I have with the whole situation is that a bunch of people had to buy 10.5's for Nats (and regionals) so that they can throw them out next year.
But just think how much money you saved over the year compared to running brushed motors, that should make the 10.5 appear cheaper.
Besides it will always make a good practice motor.
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LOL, for this years Nats yea thats kinda right!
13.5 BL is not in any rule stated by Roar! It was stated by someone that 13.5 and 19t and 10.5 would be superstock! but thats not true! 10.5 and 19t will run together this year in what is called super stock! But, next year everything changes! Why Roar didn't just make rules for 17.5, 13.5 and 10.5 classes is beyond me!


2009 stock is 17.5... super stock is 13.5....the 10.5 motor will be a open mod motor!!!!

If you don't believe go to the Roar web site and look at the approved Motor list!!!!!!

Three stock class`s ?

you only need one ....


No wonder no one whats to race Sedan now days....
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Three stock class`s ?

you only need one ...


No wonder no one whats to race Sedan now days....

I think its the near $500 price tags is why no one wants to race sedans anymore
remember when a "competitive" TC3 was only $180...........
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I remember buying a schumacher mission for $240, then the MI2 for $280. All hell broke loose with the EU edition at around $380, and now its what $430+ for a MI3? all this probably within 4-5 years. Ya, its no wonder no new blood is flocking to touring cars.
The 10.5 will probably be the motor of choice, along with 8.5's in offroad open mod after 08. Anything else will simply shred tires and is hard to put the power down with.
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Just to update the list:

ROAR Approved Motors 6 13.5 motors to date.

Novak
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ROAR APPROVED LIST 13.5

Hacker
Losi Xcellorin
LRP Vector X11
Novak SS PRO
Orion Vortex
Speedpassion Sportsman
Tekin Redline
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My guess ROAR will approve 9 motor brands for 13.5
Only one more to go...and I will be spot-on..
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