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Old 08-08-2008, 12:49 PM   #166
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xrayeddy, is a one piece rear pod really a good thing??? I remember back in the day some of the guys I use to run oval with had one piece pods and whenever they took a hard hit they had to take the entire car apart to make sure it wasn't tweaked...I'd hate to buy a $350+ 1/12 scale to have the rear pod bent in a crash.......Then I have to buy another $150 pod just to fix it..... Glad I got 12R5...
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Old 08-08-2008, 01:05 PM   #167
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xrayeddy, is a one piece rear pod really a good thing??? I remember back in the day some of the guys I use to run oval with had one piece pods and whenever they took a hard hit they had to take the entire car apart to make sure it wasn't tweaked...I'd hate to buy a $350+ 1/12 scale to have the rear pod bent in a crash.......Then I have to buy another $150 pod just to fix it..... Glad I got 12R5...
Formula One is expensive and 1/12th is the F1 of RC electric car racing!

The S120 is a very unique 1/12th scale car with features never presented in a single 1/12th car kit.

Back in the 80's, the Delta 1/12th car had an aluminum rear motor pod and on very hot days, when the motor was extremely hot, that pod would get soft from the heat and would tweak when hit hard. The trick was not to hit anything.

The S120 will only be for either the upper skill levels of 1/12th scale racers or for those with deep pockets but for those racers that do not crash or for those that can afford one, it should be a stellar car!! But that does not mean that there are not good, competitive alternatives out there.
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CRASHby: I dont want to get into a flamming match but common

The F1 of R/C? 12th is making a comeback no doubt but to call it the F1 of RC is a bit of a stretch. touring car has been on the bleeding edge of design and performance since the first tamiya and yokomos hit the streets. 12th just has not seen many advancements... Perhaps the new serpent is the F1 of the 12th scale class. Just as Xray is for touring car... and now so many other cars represent xray level design and performance.

Not meaning to knock on 12th, its a high end racing class more so then touring car, the cars a dedicated carpet munchers not at all inviting to newbies or bashers. Anyone that races 12th needs to be in upper skill levels for any of these chassis.

R&D aside does the serpent really represent 160$ more in materials over the associated..

Anyway i just find it hard to swallow such inflated pricing.
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Old 08-08-2008, 03:26 PM   #169
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Not meaning to knock on 12th, its a high end racing class more so then touring car, the cars a dedicated carpet munchers not at all inviting to newbies or bashers. Anyone that races 12th needs to be in upper skill levels for any of these chassis.

This is precisely the reason 1/12th has always been considered the F1 of electric RC. Not because of technology or innovation but because of the skill level required to be good at 1/12th.
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Old 08-08-2008, 03:40 PM   #170
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I dont' think 1/12 is the F1 of rc ( 1/8 is however) , but it does take a level of skill some of us don't have.

I"m not sure of the advantage/disadvantage of a 1 pc. rear pod, but being in the manufacturing field, do know how much effort goes into making certain parts. And with added machine time, labor, and materials, comes a higher price.

Take the new Nissan GT-R for example, which costs about 1/3 of cars with equal performance numbers, but what sounds better, a Nissan or Ferrari?

Look at touring cars, just a few years ago they were molded plastic and had a price of about $200=$250 ish. Now they are almost double that price.
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Old 08-08-2008, 03:45 PM   #171
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This is precisely the reason 1/12th has always been considered the F1 of electric RC. Not because of technology or innovation

UH? Doesnt that make it NASCAR then? Not F1.

As for driver skill all rc classes require skills. 12th is such a niche class that by the time a guy starts racing 12th they had already raced something else. 12th gets that simply because they are not marketable at the hobby shop point of sale. RTR for 200 or a 12th for 200-369$ that needs 200$+ to get rolling. So ya by the time a guy drops a 12th scale on carpet he has been around the block for a while. So one would expect that the driver skillz would be higher on average then other classes. not because the chassis are the f1 of rc.. More new guys race offroad likely then any other class, touring cars would likely be second...
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WOW! Some of you guys need to feel sorry for us Brits for the price we have to pay to race 12th's, or anything else for that matter. Pretty much most US born items are priced at the equilivent price in pounds as marked on the packaging in dollars. So, at pretty much $2 to 1, that is making us pay double what you pay. So, $380 (190) is n't too bad for the Serpent car, bearing in mind that when the SP12X came out, it retailed for 300, which is near enough $600!!! It is a sweet looking car but I do think that a regular rear pod will come out at some point when people keep breaking or tweaking the machined version. Cheers, Chris.
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Old 08-08-2008, 05:45 PM   #173
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There are a lot of statements being made here about 1/12th by people who have never raced the class, that's interesting

Anyway, I know 1/12th scale is the F1 of electric RC because I have an old t shirt that says so on it
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Old 08-08-2008, 06:57 PM   #174
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I'd like to see that shirt. So I can get one made.
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UH? Doesnt that make it NASCAR then? Not F1.
Not at all...NASCAR does take skill to drive but F1 takes considerably more.
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Common sense should have told you all that the price was going to reflect the nature of the car. When the new AE came out, what did everyone say? "The new AE is out. Wow." When yall saw this car this car everyones jaw dropped and it has massive "curb appeal". Now why in the world would you think a car like this would be sold at the same price point as a boring and generic AE?
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It's funny how the ratio of negative to posative remarks on these forums is about 10:1. If you don't want to spend the money for the S120, DON'T BUY IT!
As far as the F1 of R/C, nothing can top 1/8 On-Road. Not only do you have the complexity of the cars, you have ~40 minute mains that require fuel strategy, and even tire changes. Not to mention the challange of very high speeds.
Don't get me wrong, 1/12 is a very difficult class. Because of their small size and relative simplicity, they are a challange to set up and drive, but IMO no match for 1/8 On-Road.
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Old 08-08-2008, 08:54 PM   #178
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There are a lot of statements being made here about 1/12th by people who have never raced the class, that's interesting

Anyway, I know 1/12th scale is the F1 of electric RC because I have an old t shirt that says so on it

How do you know wich people have or have not raced 12th? I have never seen that info for any posters on this forum.

Anyway everyone takes it as class bashing when a people state that something is overpriced.... Im sure you will get what u pay for when you opt to spend 160$ extra for a car. And im sure its worth every penny.

We once thought xray is overpriced(tamiya too).... then we owned them and drove them and many would never consider a cheaper car... Perhaps serpent is on to something. Perhaps it will be normal to drop 350$ for a 12th chassis for years to come...
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A quick visual scan would indicate that all the alloy on the Serpent is obviously going to cost more than its plasticy competitors.
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A quick visual scan would indicate that all the alloy on the Serpent is obviously going to cost more than its plasticy competitors.
another quick scan makes me think: alloy will bent much easier.... Then I would prefer buying some new plastic instead of alloy. I know Serpent from the S400, believe me: the alloy will be expensive!!
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