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Old 01-28-2008, 04:42 PM   #1
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Default 190mm pan car.....why didn't it work???

Cheaper ,easier ,faster ,you can run a regular tc body......I just don't understand why it didn't go big.
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theres a thread on Pro10's a few under this one, so look at that.
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I use to have a blast running pan car. we had a high banked oval carpet track we ran on, back in the days of the origianl rc10L which only down flaw it had was the rear t bar. and when corally put out the sp10, which was one awesome car.
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IMHO - the NARROW Pan Cars RUINED 1/10th Scale On-Road pancar racing.

The tracks had to be "PERFECT" in order to run them or else you had to be a great wheel man.

The original wide 235mm cars w/ TOJ bodies were more adaptable to lesser track conditions (They were still a handful)

The NARROW cars were awesome on a Carpet track - but if you were going that direction - you may as well have stayed with 1/12th scale.

When we took Oval Pan Car racing to 4 cell 10+ years ago - I was trying to revive a 235 mm pan car revolution and take it to 4 cell as well. We showed where a 4 cell STOCK 235 mm car would run circles around a Stock 1/10th scale 6 cell TOURING car, and they were a lot cheaper. The problem was there were still a few people running 6 cell Pan Car and they didn't want to change - and last I knew..the class died.
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I think to sum it up, limited use. The 1/12 scale class was already the established limited use car, and so any other class/car had to bring something 1/12 scale didn't. This is why I feel TC is still popular. Just think of how many different ways 1/10th TC can be run:

Indoor Carpet Foam
Indoor Carpet Rubber
Indoor Asphault Rubber
Outdoor Asphault Rubber
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and more importantly
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BASHING.....

I feel that if 1/10 190mm Pan had been the 1st Pan car class established, it might have been more popular, but it's too hard to support 2-classes that so close to each either.
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Ive got a 200MM Speed Spec Speedmerchant car I can rebuild and let you wheel sometime. I used to get a full season out of 2 sets of foams.

Isnt corrally bringing a 1/10th out? Get that the same time you get your 1/12th.
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theres a thread on Pro10's a few under this one, so look at that.
Well lets see......rather than post what could be seen as negative or turn into negative or take away from people promoting whats good about their cars, I thought I would ask the question in a seperate thread.

I was asking why it didn't catch on in the late 90's when associated came out with a 190mm pan car.
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Ive got a 200MM Speed Spec Speedmerchant car I can rebuild and let you wheel sometime. I used to get a full season out of 2 sets of foams.

Isnt corrally bringing a 1/10th out? Get that the same time you get your 1/12th.
Thanks Beavis................first I get to run your 12th and then I got to ride your girl and now I get to run your pan car.................I don't care what people say about you......your ok
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I was asking why it didn't catch on in the late 90's when associated came out with a 190mm pan car.
It was just bad timing. 4WD Sedans were hot and still growing in popularity at that time.

Now sedan racing is slowing down due to high prices and complexity. Racers want a fast car that works without have to get a degree in Automotive Engineering to set it up.

A Pro 10 car can run anywhere a 1/12th can run and anywhere a sedan can run....from parking lots to carpet tracks.
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I was asking why it didn't catch on in the late 90's when associated came out with a 190mm pan car.
It was just bad timing. 4WD Sedans were hot and still growing in popularity at that time.

Now sedan racing is slowing down due to high prices and complexity. Racers want a fast car that works without have to get a degree in Automotive Engineering to set it up.

A Pro 10 car can run anywhere a 1/12th can run and anywhere a sedan can run....from parking lots to carpet tracks.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:40 AM   #11
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i loooove my rc10L3

i agree on the fact that it is much harder to drive on asphalt than a 235mm car especially at high speed

but on an indoor track it is a perfect balance between the narrowness of 1/12 and the voltage of the pro 10 class. My L3 uses a non cased lipo and old novak mercury receiver and a novak 610 esc ,and tire wear is very , very low with lots of speed. I would never sell this car !
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i agree with adrain. touring wasnt a lot less expensive then, now its a fortune to run unless you run tc5, losi , or hpi. but i love sedans so im definately going to keep running them, but i also plan on getting a 1/10th scale pan car, who' i dont know just yet.
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ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhpppppppppsssss touring was a lot less expensive then
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If you guys recalled Tamiya tried to test out the market lately with the resurrection of F103GT.... it got mixed feedback either die-hard fans or those that just gotta sell it off after a few runs...

We have a few die-hard F103GT guys here locally that are still running them against the Touring Cars(TC) here on asphalt track with rubber tires... when the F103GTs worked, the TC boys just pissed their pants off when outrun by lesser equipt F103GTs on the straight...
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I was asking why it didn't catch on in the late 90's when associated came out with a 190mm pan car.
Because they flipped off the track with any sort of traction on carpet tracks. They needed low profile bodies like 12th scale when you ran them with sedan bodies they would just traction roll with the greatest of ease. You might as well just run 12th scale it will be cheaper then a pan sedan class and handle better. This "new" 200mm revolution is nothing new this was here before and it never took off and I have a hard time seeing it take off again but we will see....speed merchant had or has a car out for about 4 or 5 years now and it never really went any place....lets see what happens.
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