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Old 04-12-2008, 06:56 PM   #1006
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pan cars used to cost the same amount as 1/10th 2wd buggies. Well, the buggies are still about the same price & the pan cars have about doubled.
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The speedmerchant speedspec II is in the price range. Granted it's not a carbon fibre pan but I'm sure it can still wheel ok.

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Quick question, back in the day the originals ran a price of 120-160 (RC10L/L2). Why are some retailers offering the new "Pro 10" chassis at around 320 dollars (corally from stormer). For that price might as well stick with TC for the time. I was hoping to get in the new class at around the same price as in the 80's-90's up to maybe 220. I still have my old chassis, but I was hoping and looking for a class where I can afford my son and I to run in. I will wait and see as more become available.
That's an EASY one..."back in the day" the US dollar was worth more than something to wipe your a$$ with versus the European currencies. Now even the Canadians are laughing all the way to the bank with their dollars at par (or better) vs. ours when they used to be worth 60-ish cents.

Multiply today's price by no more than 2/3 just to see what currency deflation has done. Then contemplate general price rise since "the day"...the "real" cost of that kit is less today than it was then. And there's more to the modern kits.
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Old 04-12-2008, 07:35 PM   #1009
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Alright, now back in the day the RC10L2 graphite was in the 160's from Tower. Also when HPI came out with the Roadstar 10GW Graphite it cost 190. I understand inflation etc. And I was not implying that I could get a TC for around 300. I was just curious as to the entry fee of the new generation Pro 10. Also most were not overblown 1/12 cars, as many chassis were original designs, such as the YRX-2000, Trinity Ev-10 oh and the 10GW.

Now I was and am not trying to step on any toes, so if you had taken offense to my post, I appologize.

I am just a regular trying to get back into racing as well as introduce my son.

Thats all, and thank you for your replies.
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Old 04-13-2008, 12:37 AM   #1010
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Alright, now back in the day the RC10L2 graphite was in the 160's from Tower. Also when HPI came out with the Roadstar 10GW Graphite it cost 190. I understand inflation etc. And I was not implying that I could get a TC for around 300. I was just curious as to the entry fee of the new generation Pro 10. Also most were not overblown 1/12 cars, as many chassis were original designs, such as the YRX-2000, Trinity Ev-10 oh and the 10GW.

Now I was and am not trying to step on any toes, so if you had taken offense to my post, I appologize.

I am just a regular trying to get back into racing as well as introduce my son.

Thats all, and thank you for your replies.
Most pro 10 cars weren't very original... Almost all the earlier pro 10 cars were essentially larger versions of the 1/12th scale car. Yeah, there were a few minor differences butthe basic 1/12th scale formula of what worked was applied in a larger scale. As others have pointed out, inflation has taken it's toll, and you also have to consider the higher carbon fiber prices as well as the higher quality parts on the new kits. In particular, nicer pod pieces, nicer shocks, big ring diffs, and often annodized parts are standard of these kits.

No, they're not cheap, but you can get a top of the line 1/10th scale pan car for around or a little under $300, which is around couple hundred less than a top flight TC. Then you have fewer cheaper parts when compared to a TC, a more simple to setup car, more fun and realistic body choices, and fewer cells to purchase compared to a regular TC class should you go the 4 cell route. Double those savings for you and your son, then factor in the cheaper parts and you're potentially saving several hundred dollars by going with a pan car instead of a TC.

So, you get a faster, better handling, simpler car for and you have a couple hundred left over to buy a radio/charger/ brushless ESC, whatever. Lastly, if turns out like most other pan car classes, the car you buy today will still be quite competitive years from now and parts will still be available (if you don't buy a Trinity ). For instance the 12L3 can still be quite competitive and is 10 years old and the basic components like the T-bar, diff. and front ends on even older 1/12th scale cars are still in use and quite effective today. Many of the TC's from even a few short years ago are tough to get parts for and you'll almost feel forced to get a new car.

The Trans Am class (if it's run in your area) is another class to check out if you're trying to save money. But there you'll almost have to buy used to save much money, and used equipment can be quite frustrating for beginners. You learn a lot from building a car fresh from the ground up.
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Anybody know if anyone is trying to start this class here in the Los Angeles county? Preferably asphalt.
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A top of the line sedan was ~$200 in 1999. However just like sedans today Pro-10 cars have a lot less plastic and a lot more Ti, Aluminum and Carbon so they are a little more expensive than before. That said you get a lot more performance and durability from the modern cars.
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Old 04-22-2008, 08:07 PM   #1013
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Whats the difference between pro10 and gt10?
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Old 04-22-2008, 08:41 PM   #1014
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Whats the difference between pro10 and gt10?
Ok, my idea is that the Pro-10 is a 235 mm car with 6 cell or brushless and as much motor as you can run. Body is a Lemans - Group C / IMSA GTP / Could even be Can-AM as well

GT-10 (World GT as some are calling it) is a 200 mm 4 cell brushed 27/19 turn or 10.5 - 13.5 brushless. Lipo with a high wind brushless motor 17.5 and 21.5 have been tossed out. The body is a 2 door GT based on a production car.

Both run the same foam tires, layout .......

Ok, start the posts that I don't have a clue!!!

Racers around here will agree!
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Old 04-22-2008, 08:43 PM   #1015
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thanks for the info.
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thanks for the info.
Truth is, nothing is set in stone at this point. 6 cell any motor is ridiculous at this point other than on the euro gas tracks. What we are running here is 6 cell or lipo 13.5; 4 cell 10.5. The classes are 235mm with GTP bodies and 200mm with GT bodies. Same power for both classes
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Old 04-23-2008, 06:23 AM   #1017
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Whats the difference between pro10 and gt10?
We havent worked out the powerplant structure for GT10/World GT as of yet (although I have a feeling that what they run at IIC will be a pretty fair baseline) but the two major distinguishing factors between Pro10 and GT10/World GT are that Pro10 is 235mm cars with GTP/Group C/WSC bodies while GT10/World GT is 200mm cars with 2 door GT bodies (like Corvettes, Vipers, and Mustangs OH MY)
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As an experiment, I picked up a set of A123 cells from a Black and Decker VPX pack and soldered on a deans plug. Total weight came out to be 98 grams for the 2S1P 1100mAH pack. Just screwing around with a mabuchi silver can motor in my Tamiya F103, the run time was about 8 minutes. Although the A123 pack runs at 6.6V nominal, the decreased mass made the car seem nearly as punchy as the 7.4V LiPo. What I really liked was the fact that the A123 pack could be charged at 5A. Charged for 12-15 minutes and put it right back in the car. with a 2 pack rotation, you could run all day. These cells are are tough as nails.

I would like to take this test to the next level and make a 2S2P pack and run with a brushless 17.5 or ???. I doubt that ROAR is ready for such an odd setup as I am suggesting, but it has potential to a great local club "skill" class for Pro-10. Anybody have some suggestions on what chassis would be a good test mule for this setup?
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As an experiment, I picked up a set of A123 cells from a Black and Decker VPX pack and soldered on a deans plug. Total weight came out to be 98 grams for the 2S1P 1100mAH pack. Just screwing around with a mabuchi silver can motor in my Tamiya F103, the run time was about 8 minutes. Although the A123 pack runs at 6.6V nominal, the decreased mass made the car seem nearly as punchy as the 7.4V LiPo. What I really liked was the fact that the A123 pack could be charged at 5A. Charged for 12-15 minutes and put it right back in the car. with a 2 pack rotation, you could run all day. These cells are are tough as nails.

I would like to take this test to the next level and make a 2S2P pack and run with a brushless 17.5 or ???. I doubt that ROAR is ready for such an odd setup as I am suggesting, but it has potential to a great local club "skill" class for Pro-10. Anybody have some suggestions on what chassis would be a good test mule for this setup?
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