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Old 01-31-2008, 04:18 PM   #196
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If this class goes to 6 cell or 2 cell LiPo I won't run it. Most of us aren't racing on some big 1/8th track each week.

If the guys at the big 1/8th tracks want to run 6 cell then fine pony up. For parkinglot and carpet racing 4 cell will be more than enough for %90 of the racers out there.
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Old 01-31-2008, 05:15 PM   #197
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Sorry bud but you can't go around demanding how many cell everyone else runs just because you can't bare to run a higher wind motor.

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If this class goes to 6 cell or 2 cell LiPo I won't run it. Most of us aren't racing on some big 1/8th track each week.

If the guys at the big 1/8th tracks want to run 6 cell then fine pony up. For parkinglot and carpet racing 4 cell will be more than enough for %90 of the racers out there.
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Old 01-31-2008, 05:38 PM   #198
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I have been following this thread...and Pro 10 sounds like a good idea. I think ROAR needs to step in and get the ball rolling. After all these cars come out...figure out the best battery/motor combo and write a set of rules so local tracks can get this going.
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Old 01-31-2008, 05:45 PM   #199
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Jev, what I am trying to come up with is a simple set of rules that make it possible for everyone to not only be on an even playing field, but also at a level they can afford. That is what has allowed the VTA (Vintage Trans-Am) class to blossom so much even in the last couple months. Even the 12th scale guys can get in on this by going 4 cell because they dont really have to change anything with their batteries. Really I dont want to see this class get overly caught up in getting too much technology into the class. LiPo Im sure is something that could be workable at a later point, as well as some flexibility with brushless, but right now I think the goal is to get this class to the masses first on the club level and then hopefully on the national level. If we go having all these different rules and bringing in all these different technologies, this could be dead before we even get it off the ground.
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Old 01-31-2008, 06:06 PM   #200
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The Great Debate! PRO10 Cell count

Lower Volts(3.7 to 4.8V)
Pros: Low-wind motors will do well. Less cell count, less cost per pack. Speeds are fast, but not the fastest. 4-Cell packs will work on any pan car 1:10 oval, 1:12 road and oval!

Cons: Single Cell LiPO's make stock motors look like lathe motors, really slow. Say good-bye to 17.5 or 13.5 with a single cell LiPO. Receiver packs!

Higher Voltage (6.0V to 7.4V)
Pros: Cheap LiPO's are available in "Brick" form factor.

Cons: Speed may be too fast with stock motors using a LiPO 7.4V pack. 5-Cell is odd (litterally) and having a 5-cell pack limits that pack to that car.


My suggestion:

USE a 6.6V pack made with LiFePO4 cells. There are LiPO makers that are stuffing soft cells with this chemistry. NiMH is fading out, and a Lithium battery seems to be the way to go.
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Old 01-31-2008, 06:21 PM   #201
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i think it's sad that i've been pushing the return of pan cars for almost 2 years, they are finally coming back, and i can't compete.. i have a wide car and don't own 4 cell as ive switched to lipo as almost everyone that club races touring cars has.. oh well.. honestly, how many people have 4 cell packs compared to how many have 6 cell packs around?
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Old 01-31-2008, 07:01 PM   #202
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TallyRC.

If you currently run a pan car, you have 4-cell packs. Why make the Pro10 class different than the others.

When the the other three pan-car classes figure out what to do with the change in technology, the Pro10 I assume will follow. There is no need to force the PRO10 to be 6-cell just because the sedans are 6-cell. The Pro10 is more of a realtive to the 1:12 car than any sedan on the market. Thus since the Pro10 is closely related it should share the same power source: 4-cell.

I do not see 1:12 or 1:10 oval making the great lipo conversion anytime in the next two years due to the emerging technologies and the changing standards. Let the PRO10 class be 4-cell during the greatest change in RC since the advent of electric as a replacement for nitro. Once all the technologies are sorted out, choose the best that would suit the needs of the racers: Cheap, Competitive and Fun.
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Old 01-31-2008, 07:12 PM   #203
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i currently run a pro10, and it has a lipo in it. i, like the majority of people in this hobby, have owned nothing but 6 cell packs in my life..
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Sorry bud but you can't go around demanding how many cell everyone else runs just because you can't bare to run a higher wind motor.
I didn't "demand" anything. I simply won't run 6 cell 10th pan. Personally I think it's a stupid idea.
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I can see that this whole thing is going to be like herding cats.

You guys run whatever you want, the best option will win out just like it did when we went to 4 cell 12th.
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I can see that this whole thing is going to be like herding cats.

You guys run whatever you want, the best option will win out just like it did when we went to 4 cell 12th.
yup, your smart.. your in charge lol
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I can see that this whole thing is going to be like herding cats.

You guys run whatever you want, the best option will win out just like it did when we went to 4 cell 12th.
yup, your smart.. your in charge lol
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Im trying to reign this in as best I can. Tally, you can still compete even in 4 cell. I decided to go with that (and 19T brushed/10.5 brushless) because not only is it something that new racers and existing racers (from both road course and oval as has been already noted) can compete in, but it also takes into account something that a lot of people said about the demise of 10th pan a number of years ago...the speed. People have kept saying that the cars got SO fast, that they became difficult to control. There were people that could handle that kind of speed but not enough to sustain the class on a large level. Again look at VTA (I know I keep using that as an example). The class is not the fastest out there, but it is steadily growing and the focus is on the racing and on the cameraderie, not on who has the best and fastest stuff. That I think is what this 200mm class should be about. Good racing and great cameraderie both in the pits and on the drivers stand.
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Old 01-31-2008, 10:15 PM   #209
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I have added a few more bodies to the list I posted earlier. A note...the TVR Tuscan Speed 6 listed under Protoform was actually listed as a Pro-Line body but they are all part of the same family of companies. I know jsut about all these bodies I listed are available in the Stormer Hobbies online store (which reminds me, I think we need to get somebody like Bob Stormer on board with this)
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