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Old 03-14-2008, 11:33 PM   #781
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Wow, that layout looks brutal. Is it any fun at all?

The layout is fun, and the boards are pretty foregiving!

The track is fast and the TQ keeps bumping up in each heat so the track seems to be getting faster as the days go on.

Traction seemed to peak yestarday and seems to be fairly consistent when you say in the groove.
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The layout is fun, and the boards are pretty foregiving!

The track is fast and the TQ keeps bumping up in each heat so the track seems to be getting faster as the days go on.

Traction seemed to peak yestarday and seems to be fairly consistent when you say in the groove.
Cool, good to hear your guys are having fun. Sorry to hear about your car Mark. The guys in chat were saying the chicane in the middle looked slippery. It looks like the cars have trouble transferring weight so quickly side-to-side. I only saw the mod foam cars, though.

Keep those cars together, the outdoor season starts in two weeks!
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Cool, good to hear your guys are having fun. Sorry to hear about your car Mark. The guys in chat were saying the chicane in the middle looked slippery. It looks like the cars have trouble transferring weight so quickly side-to-side. I only saw the mod foam cars, though.

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The big test will be at Vegas this year. I hear its going to be all brushless/lipo.
If it is then I bet a BL/Lipo car wins it all, you heard it here first


Seriously, eventually everyone will figure which way to go, it was just too new for most of the pros, they have too much at stake to take chances but from what I can tell by looking at Nash's awesome pics Rick Hohwart might be running lipos. I would think that he knows this would be a great time to see how the new product from Reedy runs against tough competition.

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Old 03-15-2008, 08:46 AM   #785
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Good point for sure, but the industy is still wrapped around C-cells. Matchers, dischargers, chargers, and accessories. The big test will be at Vegas this year. I hear its going to be all brushless/lipo.
Brushless? Probably. Lipo? I don't think so. It is an international event and no other countries are really experimenting with lipo as much as we are in the US for competitive racing. Maybe eventually, but I doubt this year. Of course I just sponsor the race...I don't make the rules.
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Good point for sure, but the industy is still wrapped around C-cells. Matchers, dischargers, chargers, and accessories. The big test will be at Vegas this year. I hear its going to be all brushless/lipo.
you seem to also forget 12th scale won't be lipo for a while... yes they can run 3.7 volts but most cars aren't designed for it. so I doubt you will see an ALL lipo race other then the US TC champs for several years. 12th stock is the biggest class at the Roar nats.
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I dont think the vegas race will be all lipo... i am sure they will prob run along the lines of allowing it in the classes, but not mandate it.

Brushless is awesome.. no worries about motors and guys have gotten more wrench time on there cars,,, which makes for even better racing since the motors are all very close. Brushless at iic will make the iic even better than it already is. Should be some amazing racing this year in vegas.
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Does anyone have a link to the current standings?

I would rather be at the races then working on year end taxes.
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Does anyone have a link to the current standings?

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Brushless is awesome.. no worries about motors and guys have gotten more wrench time on there cars,,, which makes for even better racing since the motors are all very close.
First off this question isn't just for you....I see this comment a lot and want people to expand on it.

I watched the action at the Snowbirds in person for 3+ days this year....and while the brushless route sounds simple and logical....what I saw was anything but. I watched an endless line of people going to the novak booth with motors not performing up to snuff (I was VERY impressed with Charlie and his service by the way....this is not in any way meant to be a slam on Novak) Also in my tours of the pits I saw lots of people scratching their heads....swapping rotors, jacking up timing, etc on brushless motors.

I was very impressed with the brushless motors performance on the track....but what I saw in the pits was not anything close to the "bolt in a motor and forget about it" mentality that is often talked about on here.

All of this is fine....it just seems to me there is a lot more work involved with the brushless motor tuning than people are lead to believe on here. Why is that?

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because brushless technology, as it applies to touring cars, is still inmature and still evolving there is a lot of uncertanty. Gearing, timing, motor temp, and speed control set up are completely different. especially on foams. Most touring cars have a hard time accomadating super small spurs. Driving a brushless motor takes some getting used to as well. I've been running my speed passion combo since inception and have had no issues. The car is the same from start to finish. Once you get used to it and tailor the system to your liking, you should be good to go.
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totally agree with big features.

and if your running rubber tires which alot more people are every day once you get gearing figured out at your home track you never have to touch that motor. Big races it might take 2 practices to get the motor to temp and then not have to worry about it. Not cutting comms really does save alot of time and it makes for a less time stressful day at the track. It is a bright spot in onroad for sure

Josh hohnstein who is the tq of rubber tire at this event... is still running the same motor he bought back when the 13,5 motors came out. he loves brushless and never touches that motor except to adjust the gearing for a different track. So not only is there less to maintain but its very cost effective.

I think the reason you saw guys running to and from the novak booth is cause if guys overheat a motor to try and get more than the motor will give you will loose the strength the rotor (magnet strength) And also because some guys are very new to brushless and might not know what to do with the timing and so on. I will say it makes for extremely competitive racing when its just brushless against brushless.
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1st 19t run with my 008 made the 5th in the B not bad ..got hacked in the 13.5 rubber !
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If it is then I bet a BL/Lipo car wins it all, you heard it here first


Seriously, eventually everyone will figure which way to go, it was just too new for most of the pros, they have too much at stake to take chances but from what I can tell by looking at Nash's awesome pics Rick Hohwart might be running lipos. I would think that he knows this would be a great time to see how the new product from Reedy runs against tough competition.

Steve

Rick is running the new Reedy LiPo 5000 battery in both mod and Super Stock. He has some custom made ballast weight that makes the car balance the same as IB4600s.

Rick hasn't ran TC since the IIC and with the help of Keven Hebert and Juho Levanen's setup made both mains. Good job Rick and good luck to the AE guys at the event.

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First off this question isn't just for you....I see this comment a lot and want people to expand on it.

I watched the action at the Snowbirds in person for 3+ days this year....and while the brushless route sounds simple and logical....what I saw was anything but. I watched an endless line of people going to the novak booth with motors not performing up to snuff (I was VERY impressed with Charlie and his service by the way....this is not in any way meant to be a slam on Novak) Also in my tours of the pits I saw lots of people scratching their heads....swapping rotors, jacking up timing, etc on brushless motors.

I was very impressed with the brushless motors performance on the track....but what I saw in the pits was not anything close to the "bolt in a motor and forget about it" mentality that is often talked about on here.

All of this is fine....it just seems to me there is a lot more work involved with the brushless motor tuning than people are lead to believe on here. Why is that?

Colin
I dont know if this is exactly true. With the Hacker motors Josh Cyrul Tq'ed the 10.5 class with 1 motor and 1 rotor.
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