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Old 09-02-2017, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 1vwguru
howdy, i am new to site......i have m05 race edition, what is weight of m07 complete to run & what is final drive ratio of new m07
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THIS INFO MAY HAVE BEEN LISTED, i dont know as i am new, VWguru.
The FDR of the M07 is the same as the other minis, using the 20 tooth pinion. Not sure about weight, but I'd imagine it's close.

Originally Posted by 1vwguru
howdy, new & trying to fit in on m05 talk......
have a special m05 made of tokyo company T.O.P
has this SABRE FD MINI been discussed or the company ?
any help & thanks. VWguru
OH & dont do this fourum thing well......so if mess up LMK ?
I think the TOP mini might have its own thread.

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1vwguru, contact sakadachi for info on TOP minis. I think he has several.
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Gearing on M07 is NOT the same as the M05 but basically the same yes. But it favours the M07.. in teory
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Originally Posted by MatsNorway
Gearing on M07 is NOT the same as the M05 but basically the same yes. But it favours the M07.. in teory
With a 20 tooth pinion, the FDR in an M07 is 5.776. The FDR on the other minis is 5.797. (Much less than 1%) Hell, they both round up to 5.8. If you think that presents any significant advantage, you're club races must be TIGHT,
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Originally Posted by monkeyracing
With a 20 tooth pinion, the FDR in an M07 is 5.776. The FDR on the other minis is 5.797. (Much less than 1%) Hell, they both round up to 5.8. If you think that presents any significant advantage, you're club races must be TIGHT,
In other terms, it's almost exactly one second after five minutes, if the cars are racing in a straight line, and if the top speed is a directly proportional relationship to the gear ratio-- both of which aren't true.
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Originally Posted by MatsNorway
Gearing on M07 is NOT the same as the M05 but basically the same yes. But it favours the M07.. in teory
The difference is less than tire wear.
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Do these sound like toe adjusting suspension mounts, or is "skid angle" something new I've missed? I'm thinking they're just suspension mounts that allow adjustment without washers.

If this is just about adjusting rear toe without washers, it seems pointless. Then again, the new alloy rear hubs are silly as well.

"54787 M-07 Concept Aluminum Rear Suspension Mount (Skid Angle Adjustment)

These durable, precision suspension shaft mounts have suspension ball holes offset by 0.5mm (2 different positions) compared to the standard mounts in Item 54760 M-07 Concept Rr Sus. Mount Aluminum. By switching their attachment positions, you can alter rear suspension arm skid angle! They give secure arm attachment, and keep motion smooth, even with toe applied.

Aluminum Rear Suspension Mounts x4 (2 types x2 each)
Blue anodized finish.
Small parts for attachment are included.
Compatible with M-07 Concept chassis cars."

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Anti-squat
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Originally Posted by sosidge
Anti-squat
Anti-squat on a mini? Never even considered that before. Wow.
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Originally Posted by monkeyracing
Anti-squat on a mini? Never even considered that before. Wow.
The text you quoted in your previous post said it was for the rear suspension. So it wouldn't be for anti-squat, since the Mini is FWD; there are no acceleration or braking forces on the rear wheels.
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Originally Posted by howardcano
The text you quoted in your previous post said it was for the rear suspension. So it wouldn't be for anti-squat, since the Mini is FWD; there are no acceleration or braking forces on the rear wheels.
The rear still squats under acceleration in a FWD car as weight transfers to the rear. It's also confusing if you change the terms of the suspension angles just because of the driveline type. What would you call it instead in a FWD car?
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Originally Posted by 1vwguru
... what is weight of m07 complete to run ...
It's about 50 grams lighter with the same equipment, which is a TON.
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Still reading up on things on various threads.. seems there's no real consensus on M-05 vs M-07. Some say the -05 is/can be as fast, others seem to think the -07 is flat out superior in every conceivable way... ugh. Of course, there is only one version of -07 so far while "out of the box" there's the stock M-05 which is bound to be lackluster, then the slightly better Pro, and the "ultimate" R version. I would assume that the comparisons are for hopped up versions. The -07 seems to be about on the level of the -05 Pro as far as parts? So far given my preferred bodies are 210mm I am leaning towards the R, but admittedly the price is getting to be more than I originally intended. Yet, rather good and pricey than cheap and bad.
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Originally Posted by tvih
Still reading up on things on various threads.. seems there's no real consensus on M-05 vs M-07. Some say the -05 is/can be as fast, others seem to think the -07 is flat out superior in every conceivable way... ugh. Of course, there is only one version of -07 so far while "out of the box" there's the stock M-05 which is bound to be lackluster, then the slightly better Pro, and the "ultimate" R version. I would assume that the comparisons are for hopped up versions. The -07 seems to be about on the level of the -05 Pro as far as parts? So far given my preferred bodies are 210mm I am leaning towards the R, but admittedly the price is getting to be more than I originally intended. Yet, rather good and pricey than cheap and bad.
I've got both the 05 R and the 07. The 07 feels much nicer to drive, but it's not translating into better laptimes yet. I'm still a bit quicker with my 05. I'm sure the 07 has more to give, it's still at pure box stock setup. I've had to add an oil gear diff to the 05 to get it competitive though (not sure if that's legal where you race), so value wise I'd go for the 07. The 05 also handled like crap out of the box, it took some time to break in (with no setup changes).

If 210mm bodies are your thing, get the 05 R. You can always get an 07 down the line (they're not that expensive) if they do eventually start to pull ahead of the competition, and transfer some of the nice parts over from the 05 (such as the alloy shock bodies).
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Originally Posted by howardcano
The text you quoted in your previous post said it was for the rear suspension. So it wouldn't be for anti-squat, since the Mini is FWD; there are no acceleration or braking forces on the rear wheels.
From wikipedia-
Anti-dive and anti-squat are percentages that indicate the degree to which the front dives under braking and the rear squats under acceleration. They can be thought of as the counterparts for braking and acceleration, as jacking forces are to cornering. The main reason for the difference is due to the different design goals between front and rear suspension, whereas suspension is usually symmetrical between the left and right of the vehicle.
And Carroll Smith says the same thing in his racing books.
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