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Old 06-18-2003, 08:27 PM   #1
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I just heard ROAR's new rules for 19T "spec" motors.

Hand wound armatures, epoxy balancing and adjustable timing are all game.

IMO, this is sending a great class down the tubes. Up till now 19T has been growing like crazy as basically a faster Stock class. Now ROAR has basically made it into a slow Mod class. Motor prices will quickly reach the cost of most mod motors (as opposed to the cost limit on all stock motors) and i think this amazing class will suffer.

What do the rest of you think about these new rules?
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Old 06-18-2003, 08:29 PM   #2
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I agree. This makes me so mad. ROAR has only approved them for oval racing so far. Not YET legal for touring.
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I take back one little part of that, ROAR set the max price at $65. I still dont think that helps a bit.
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ROAR once again shows they have no clue.......but their sure ready to cash your membership check.
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You can go to www.hobbytalk.com & voice your opinion
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Old 06-19-2003, 03:58 AM   #6
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Here in Australia they went through something similar where they started a 20turn class because the motors were cheap and readily available then people started getting handwound armatures and the cost of the cheap class to run skyrocketed to the same price as modified and now it is dead. Part of this was because the at the time they didn't tie down the rules enough and people did what they wanted.

I think the 19turn spec class with machine wound motors with bearings was a great class and a really nice in between class from stock to mod. We don't have that class here yet (motors just started becoming available in shops).

It will be interesting to see if we will ever run a 19turn class seriously.
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I wonder if the oval drivers got what they wanted.
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Does sound like they've gone a strange route for 19T spec class, maybe they'll have better rules for touring racing. Here in the UK there is a price limit of 30 which is just a couple of pounds more than a stock motor, probably to account for the allowance of bearings instead of bushings. I have found 19T to be a great class here, plenty of speed and the motor lasts well between skims.
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I wonder if the oval drivers got what they wanted.
im sure they did
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I bet they did too, Neil. I love racing in 19t spec. Motors, armatures, are all cheap. They are easier to tune, and leave enough leway for a newbie. Do we all have to buy dynos and computers now to be competitive in the "sportsman" and "spec" classes?
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I bet they did too, Neil. I love racing in 19t spec. Motors, armatures, are all cheap. They are easier to tune, and leave enough leway for a newbie. Do we all have to buy dynos and computers now to be competitive in the "sportsman" and "spec" classes?
I had to buy those things to run modified. Will you be racing at the Toys for Boys raceway? Sounds like lots of fun there.
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I had to buy those things to run modified. Will you be racing at the Toys for Boys raceway? Sounds like lots of fun there.
I plan to. I will be checking it out in a few weeks.
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If you guys really knew how the 19 turn motor came about 6 years ago the comments about oval racers would not even be here. The 19 turn class was started by the RCRA tour which was a points series that ran at 6 differnt tracks...One race a month and then crownd a winner. It was created to bridge the gap between stock and mod. the used handwound motors in mod cans with a max of 24 degreees of timing and it was great!!

Then Trinity came out with the C1 and C2's. Then you had to buy 10 motors to get 2 good ones and wory about cheating and such. The new handwound motors are not much more in price than a hand tuned stock. But you can buy 100 motors over the counter and I'll almost guarntee you that 95 of those motors will be within 8 watts on the dyno. The handwounds are the best thing to happen to 19 turn yet!!

If you guys get a chance to pick one up you should try it. I have 5 of them and they range from 99 watts to 103 watts and they build the same every time.


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I agree, I'm a touring racer and I want handwounds for 19t class. If your going to race seriously its going to cost money ne ways. And these 19t arent going to be that pricey. I already have my sights on the new 19turn from epic with the 4 mags, big brushes, and adjustable timing
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why not keep the timing fixed? at least that take one variable out of the equation
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